R57 relay

How am I remolding it? Facts please.

Remember, I've seen this play 3 times before and this will be the second with Parker as the director. What do you think has been doing in DFW all this time, herding cattle?

R57 relay

Eaglefly, I was mainly busting your chops, but it's really how I feel. Let me add to it.

I agreed with Nicolau about the orders in our SLI, even though if he had counted them it would have helped me. Most of ours were A330s. But you never know if you will receive an aircraft on order. If US had liquidated it certainly wouldn't have. Had AW gone into Chp 11 it probably would have redone their orders. You know what you have on the day of the merger, after that everything changes.

As for AA orders, they were done prior to the merger, right? So, with the merger we may not need all the aircraft, or not in the numbers that are ordered. So what if you get credit for all the widebodies you have on order, but we cancel the A350 orders because they want to use yours. That would be a windfall to you, not me.

But you are right, the arbitration panel may use aircraft on order.

eaglefly

All I've stated are my opinions that DOH won't be used and there will be no reordering of either list by the other prior to them being merged. As far as all other issues like career expectations, fleets etc. I've placed them in the "consideration" section, which is apparently very upsetting to some and I've only concluded that by the arrogance of others, yourself included.

Seriously though man, when you talk of others arrogance are you oblivious to a large percentage of your last 500 posts that have sprayed like violent buckshot ricocheting all over this forum ?

It's just a suggestion, but you may want to examine to see if you're wired a bit too tight. Not sure what will happen with your imminent fiasco where SOMEONE is going to be upset, but after that we've got plenty more conflict ahead. Here's a question;

Am I correct in understanding USAPA's constitutional merger policy is DOH ?

If it is and they have boxed themselves into defending that, how do you expect to get through the next conflict without a lot of messiness ?

eaglefly

Jesus, Joeseph and Mary. HOW do you think he GOT to DFW in the first place ?

Some of you guys seem to have forgotten that he wouldn't be there AT ALL now if it wern't for AMERICAN AIRLINES PILOTS who voted to accept what the APA did in seeking out Parker to oust present management.

AMERICAN AIRLINES PILOTS, not APA made the final call and because of them we all are where we are now, INCLUDING your pay raises, etc. I don't think they did so based on the premise of gaining marginal contract improvements themselves simply to have it all essentially wiped out in a senioirty decimation, nor did they do it for the altruistic concern of rescuing another carriers pilots hopelessly mired in suicidal conflict.

Let's face it, without this merger the option for your two pilots groups was diddly-squat mainly at your own hands. I don't think I'm expecting any excess benefit for all this, but you'll pardon me if I take opposition to being forced into a box seat at the "USAPA Conquers the World part II" premiere. I think it is quite arrogant to not at least remember just who got us all where we are today. There was serious risk in doing so and now there's the possibility of much, if not all of that wiped out for a significant portion of junior AA pilots, some of whom have to stomach the new and improved ways they can be screwed even further.

We're obviously looking at this from two completely different places.

cactiboss

Yup, as a matter of fact usapa gave usairways a straight doh list in 2008.(even though r57 delusion prevents him from processing that info)

R57 relay

I don't think I'm wired too tight, but I'm probably not the best judge. Let ask my wife. Nope, she said no.

I don't think I've started any "buckshot" thread, but I will answer in kind. I've been wrong before and stated so.

You are not correct about USAPA's C&BLs, but it's a popular misconception. Here is that actual statement:

"Objectives of USAPA

D. To maintain uniform principles of seniority based on date of hire and the perpetuation thereof, with reasonable conditions and restrictions to preserve each pilot’s un-merged career expectations."

Keyword-principles. It gives the union room to do something else and at the recent BPR meeting there was a resolution to give the Merger Committee free rein to talk about any type settlement. It was tabled on day one and not sure what came of it, but it was a great resolution.

That said, I didn't think it should have been in there at all.

R57 relay

Try and read and keep up, please.

cactiboss

Christ, u just don't have a clue do you? Read what Silver says about "other events"
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/West..._122_Order.pdf

R57 relay

I never said anything about the above. What I said is that it happened, so after Monday everything changes, for all of us. Now, who is wound tight?

You never answered my question though. How am I remolding things. It's a fact about the 767s, the merger gave US a chance to get rid of them earlier than without a merger. How about my post about eagle pilots and their rights, you see that? Want to counter me on that?

R57 relay

You see that little smiley there cacti? Chill.