R57 relay

The difference between PT and you is that he is talking about a ratified agreement, you are talking about having that agreement changed.

Wiskey Driver

Oh no not having it changed. I feel all but one of the terms will still apply. The part that where YOUR organization neglected to disclose to the voting pilots (west pilots) that you planned to have us sign away our rights. See its so transparent that even the blind could see it. Usapa decided not to disclose and as a result I can bet you that the court will strike it down. Now you want to lay a wager on whether or not that 10H gets tossed??

WD at AWA

CaptainBigWood

It appears the bottom USAirways narrow body Captain is 1988 hire.
It appears the bottom American narrow body Captain is 1993 hire.
It appears the bottom America West narrow body Captain is 1998 hire.
Does anybody see a problem?

Wiskey Driver

Like??? See when you take a carrier from the 1930's and merge it with a carrier from the 1980's there will ALWAYS be these large differences in LOS its simple math Woody! Now for the pilot at the younger carrier who has the expectation of faster upgrades based on the relative age of his/her airline, should this be any less important than it is for pilots at the older carriers??

Now had UAL merged with AAA your argument would be somewhat valid however it was AWA that was the only carrier willing to toss out the life line. AWA pilots should not at all be penalized for being employed at a younger carrier. This is an extremely weak argument on your part.

WD at AWA

cactiboss

Yeah, the east pilots will get crushed in sli.

FreighterGuyNow

Back in Feb when the merger was announced that bottom American Captain was 1989.

FreighterGuyNow

Give ya 12 - 1 odds it's you.

cactiboss

Think it thru beastie, you don't have a chance. Ask yourself, of the 3 groups who benefits most from the merger by a wide margin? The Nic is your best option, believe me, you don't want a 3 way.

Wiskey Driver

I will take those odds

WD at AWA

eaglefly

There's going to be many "problems" to work out. Another will be career expectations of respective F/O's at each carrier prior to merge based on known aspects. One thing known in this problem are present fleet and orders which in the case of this merger/SLI have significant disparities.

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NARROWBODY

US Airways:

Present Fleet = 314 ][ Orders = 17

* represents an approximate 5.5% potential increase for US Airways F/O's.

American Airlines:

Present Fleet = 490 ][ Orders = 429

*represents an approximate 87.5% potential increase for AA F/O's.

__________________________________________________ ____________
WIDEBODY

US Airways:

Present Fleet = 30 ][ Orders = 26

*represents an approximate 85% increase in positions for US Airways pilots. At an estimate of 25 pilots per aircraft, this would be about 650 positions.

American Airlines:

Present Fleet = 125 ][ Orders = 53

* represents an approximate 42% increase in positions for AA pilots. At an estimate of 25 pilots per aircraft, this would be about 1,325 positions. AA has 4 times as many widebodies as US Airways, but approximately 2 times the number of pilots.


Other projected variables include planned retirement schedules and AA's aircraft options that are approximately equal to their orders. How these are all factored in is yet to be seen, but clearly each F/O could have had a target date for accessibility to widebody F/O, narrowbody captain and widebody captain, if not already holdable at time of merger announcement. Additionally, another variable that would impact career expectations for F/O's is where present captains would be merged or the "problem" you appear to mention. One problem impacts another and especially in this SLI there seem to be more desparities than either UAL/CAL or DAL/NWA. I realize it's advantageous for some to compare this merger SLI to the other two legacies, but I think there as many differences as similarities.