You are obsessed and blinded by your focus on the nic and its windfall award. Do you not understand that ALL previous TAs, CBAs, etc are NOW. null and VOID!! My God man get a grip of reality. The nic is done!! Your vision of captaining a WB across the N Atl. will have to wait. Seniority has a purpose in all things aviation. Any shortcuts to the top are windfalls, wether wrongfully granted or otherwise. Enjoy misery. I for one am rejoicing at the mere aspect of a promising future.

Yes and yes to the first two questions. However, if you think that they did this out of some sort or morality or loyalty to you (the royal you) you (the single you) are delusional. I suspect that you are not that naive - that you know why the company did it and now that the judge has ruled( ''avoided'' a dfr being the operative word) there is no reason for the company to revisit it. Thus the answer to your final question is a resounding, "Yes, yes I do." (see last post by Carl Spackler)

I firmly believe the company was just covering it's behind. I also firmly believe Silver's ruling puts the ball in theirs and apa's court, I expect the company to continue to try to cover it's behind by trying to find a way to include the west and avoid liability going forward.

Hey cacti,

The SD-DEN game is a little slow, so I went backed and looked at the AOL update page. I'm losing track of claims. Didn't you at one time claim that the MOU didn't do away with the Nic? Back on 2/20/2013 you said this:

"On the "effective date" the Mou itself says we are all on the same contract, further the mou says that contract is retroactive to feb. 8th. Usapa and company says that a agreement that changes pay/vacation/ work rules is not a contract, we say it is and that is what judges are for. We also believe that the act of specifically excluding the Nic\. from the mou is collusion with usapa and another avenue to sue the merged company and the apa if the nic. is not used."

When did you change that? When the company was dismissed from the case?

Have you thought of suing Harper and Ferguson?

Another nugget:

Originally Posted by R57 relay View Post
"Again, wouldn't that have been a question to answer before recommending to your clients to vote for it? Did they only learn of this after the vote less than two weeks ago? Remember, you guys voted for it and as a block would have had a really good chance of defeating it."

Cacti responded:
"yeah that's it, we are completely surprised by the language. Oh wait, leonidas principals wrote it with input from leonidas attorneys"

You admit AOL wrote it. Then you sued over it. Integrity in action!:-0

Have you read Silvers ruling? She sure thinks the east and their lawyer are full of integrity.

Avoiding the questions?

What was the first premiss of AOL? I believe it was that the MOU completed the TA and made the Nic effective, wasn't it?

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
DISTRICT OF ARIZONA
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Don Addington, et al, )
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Plaintiffs, )
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v. )
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US Airline Pilots Association, et al, )
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Defendants, )


JUDGMENT IN A CIVIL CASE
CV 13-0471-PHX-ROS

Decision by Court. This action came for consideration before theCourt. The issues have been considered and a decision has been rendered.

IT IS ORDERED AND ADJUDGED that pursuant to the Court's Order of
January 10, 2014, judgment is hereby entered as follows: judgment in favor of
Defendant US Airline Pilots Association on Count I and Count IV, judgment in favor
of US Airways, Inc. on Count II, and a judgment of dismissal without prejudice on
Count III. This action are hereby terminated.

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January 10, 2014

BRIAN D. KARTH
Clerk of Court
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Ruth E. Williams
Deputy Clerk

I agree except I don't think that the company cares about the East or the West. They were only interested in their own liability- which I think is where we agree. Where we differ is on our opinion on what Silver's ruling means. I am no attorney and I can only read the ruling and form an opinion on what it means. That said, I think the company is off the hook and given the fact that they could not care less about any other aspect of the dispute, I suspect that the company has all it needs now. In my ever so humble opinion, this ruling closed the door on the Nic. But I don't rule out Zombie Nic. I truly wish that there was a way to make you(the royal you) happy or at least content - short of the Nic. Again, in my opinion the Nic is dead and what is left standing are two pilot groups, shattered by unrestrained deregulation, bankruptcy laws and corporate plunderers. The debate about who we are, where we came from and what we deserve has always been framed in the wrong way. It has been framed in a way that puts pilot against pilot rather than pilot against management. I stand here today with my hand out- I don't want you to feel like your fellow pilots screwed you. I want a fair and just agreement. If your only reply to me is ''binding is binding- the Nic is the only way" then I suppose there is nothing left to say.

Well I have been wrong on every legal question so far. Anything less than the Nic is a travesty of justice. We will do all we can to hold the east accountable, see you in court