I have no doubt a Usapian believes I "don't know". That's because apparently unless one IS a Usapian, one doesn't know. ONLY Usapians know and those who aren't don't. Heck, now it is the APA that "doesn't know". I get that. I think A LOT of us get that now. It's about the ONLY thing I understand about your planet, so you didn't need to highlight that again. Cacti and WD don't do my thinking, but perhaps that's a Usapian thing too.

Since I definitively don't know, I'm concerned that you're concerned about ME or my judgement. Since I don't know, wouldn't disregard be a better reaction then concern ?

It is at least here on planet Earth.

At this point in time -- no idea. A year ago, I would have said that it would ultimately be the Nic List with the Third-List at the bottom by DoH. A month ago, there were other possibilities, but from Silver's comments (trial transcripts), I still thought it likely to see the same. Now, not so sure. Her ruling made several alternatives possible, some good, some very very bad. My days of guessing what arbitrators/judges will do (based on reason and logic) are long gone.

My gut still says that if we go to arbitration, it will end up being the Nic or a very similar list. One could assume that arbitrators will either honor their esteemed collegue's previous ruling. Or will follow the same ratios/logic used at constructing the new (over-all) list to merge the East/West lists -- if they determine that USAPA's argument is correct and the AW-US transition Agreement was never completed, thus no list currently exists. Either way, it is based on a relative position list, not a simple DoH. Call it Nic Light or Nic Jr (because the bottom will be a little different than the original Nic list, but the top remains generally the same).

Again, I was much more certain of where it would go a month ago. I've been wrong in the past, and am certain I will also be wrong in the future. So, who knows....

That's exactly what I'm saying. Thanks for showing your ignorance.

The plan Lee Seham came up with was that a new bargaining agent had the right to NEGOTIATE all sections of the contract. Their proposal for section 22 was just that, a proposal. They no more demanded that, or had any right to demand that, than they could demand a million bucks an hour. And IMHO, they had about as much chance of getting it as a million bucks an hour. There was never one day spent negotiating that section with US Airways.

Yes, USAPA tried to use it's majority status to change the Nic. Thing was, under that TA ALPA had the same right. A series of events came together that allowed that.

You intermingle the actions of USAPA, ALPA and east pilots. Often it was different groups of people doing certain things.

The big question is, why do you bother? If the Eagle FT is no concern of US pilots, why is the Nic any concern of yours? If you are not going to learn the facts, you would be better served staying out of it.

What is a Usapian? Am I one? Is every east pilot one? You use that term in a derogatory fashion. It serves no good purpose.

I've heard the term AAholian. You seem to be one.

Ignorance ? But.........

......you begin your timeline AFTER the agreement of binding arbitration and your rejection of the results. It would seem you're selectively glossing over my ignorance to quietly sweep certain facts under the Usapian rug and........


.....basically admit this aspect of my ignorance. I guess if you're not selectively sweeping things under the rug, you're admitting what you can't sweep and then.....

....muddy up what I was saying elsewhere. It was essentially the same group of people just changing their nametags from ALPA to USAPA.


The Eagle FT IS a concern with some East pilots - 3rd listers. They've piped up repeatedly about what they believe should occur with these AA pilots. I'm certainly not going to learn the facts from you, that's for sure. I consider you one of the most biased sources on this subject here on the forum. Perhaps that's why I've never asked you for your "facts" ?

A "Usapian" is one from the planet USAPA and is apparently located in a galaxy, far, far away. Not all East pilots qualify. Its inhabitants have a baffling form of logic and believe there is no right or wrong since there is no other POV other than that from USAPA. At least that's all I've figured out so far.

AAholian ?

Hmmm.......never heard that one, but...............I LIKE IT !

It's got some panache.

Who cares what third Lister's think? They have no pull. It will be arbitration. And we aren't ALL like Texaspilot

"No pull"? Did you see the recall results? This group is so divided that swing votes matter a lot. The third listers have enough voting power to swing every vote that divided the east and west.. Which is most of them.

You get a pro west guy, have him promise to defend the third listers, and the east will be in trouble.

Well, if I was an E3L, I'd care a lot what my union thought of me at least.......and no, I don't think all 3rd listers are like TP. Unions get most of their trouble disregarding junior sub-segments of their pilots as traditionally, they tend to protect the senior at the expense of the junior though. Been both senior and junior and still believe that. For that matter all Easties aren't Usapians or have 3,600 posts in 2 years on this forum (3,597 defending the undefendable) either, but some really don't give a hoot about E3L's.

I think it's a Usapian thing.

eaglefly,

No one's expressed opinion on this board matters—it affects no meaningful change.

Some may characterize you as being out of place for talking down to so many pilots. You're absolutely entitled to your opinions, but why do you go out of your way to muddy the waters between our groups?

It is understandable if you are insecure about your outcome in this merger, but stop inciting negative discussions.

Infighting with the people you need to have a successful career is not beneficial.