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Hueypilot 02-15-2014 03:29 PM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1582481)
Phx right now has 10 year reserves due to the east caused impasse. Advancement will definitely be quicker back east. Phoenix will be a very senior base for the new american anyways, better opportunities in the east coast.

Thanks. I'm trying to figure out where to go till the new AA is wide open. DFW is my long-term goal.

cactiboss 02-15-2014 03:42 PM


Originally Posted by Hueypilot (Post 1582495)
Thanks. I'm trying to figure out where to go till the new AA is wide open. DFW is my long-term goal.

Dfw is the most senior base and will stay so. I hear some new hires got s80 there but will always be junior. MIA, JFK/LGA, PHL and ORD are the junior bases. The west coast is very senior not just for AA but for all other majors.

LIOG41 02-15-2014 04:00 PM

Lots of changes for all bases in the next couple years, so it's too early to tell. So go where you want to live for awhile, and if the commute is bearable, do it. You'll eventually get any base you want sooner than later.

Hueypilot 02-15-2014 04:20 PM

I've got a buddy of mine that's about to bid S80 captain out of DFW...he's been there awhile...his take is that in 2-3 years, a guy like me may be able to get DFW, or not be far from holding it. Until then I'm torn between PHX...I like the west, and lots of options to commute out there, but I'm aware I'll be reserve forever. CLT is a short flight from where I'm at (LIT) but it's all RJ traffic and I'd prob be reserve there for 18-24 months I hear. There's really no easy commute to the NE from LIT, so PHL/DCA don't sound too desirable.

Sliceback 02-15-2014 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1582500)
Dfw is the most senior base and will stay so. I hear some new hires got s80 there but will always be junior. MIA, JFK/LGA, PHL and ORD are the junior bases. The west coast is very senior not just for AA but for all other majors.


LAX is marginally senior to DFW.
ORD is junior to both of them is not as junior as LGA/MIA which tend to cycle as the most junior base.

Flipping a coin, at my seniority, MIA is slightly more junior.

In general, going back decades, the NE has been junior and California senior.

Retirements and route structure changes might make the future different from the present.

LIOG41 03-24-2014 12:42 PM

So I guess there are around 13 new hires going to PHX in the last couple classes. Are they hired under the east contract or west?

cactiboss 03-24-2014 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by LIOG41 (Post 1609357)
So I guess there are around 13 new hires going to PHX in the last couple classes. Are they hired under the east contract or west?

Same contract for everyone.

drinksonme 03-24-2014 01:16 PM

^^^^Source? I do not know about the class that started this past Monday, but the class before them ALL got PHL. The class before that a total of 4 got PHX. As far as I know, from my source in the PHX Training Dept., only those 4 so far. Newest class could be more, haven't asked him. If hired West it's West rules. East get East(awful) rules. That is until ALL the rules of the MOU/MTA go into effect

It a shame too, all the USAPA crap, causing lots of US Airways pilots to be stuck. Worst new hirer position.....lives in CLT and got last choice in class....PHX. While classes ahead of him PHX dwellers got PHL and CLT, but can not switch. It not just new hirers either, many people are stuck because of an ugly battle that needs to end.

LIOG41 03-24-2014 01:25 PM

Today's class they got 9 PHX airbus

drinksonme 03-24-2014 01:26 PM


Originally Posted by cactiboss (Post 1609381)
Same contract for everyone.

Really? Then why am I, second year third lister given East base, getting 1 day off less a month than new hirer given West, line bidding while West is PBS, use CATCREW while West uses Mistro(?), have a lower guarantee,.....it's not the same contract till we all are under the MTA/MOU. Someone recently asked USAPA reps why reserves were not getting the extra days off per the MOU yet. There response was because the company needs time to program the system and the capabilities are not there. So they can program FAR117, but not a day off....right. West has a much better contract then East and the MOU is better than East.....oddly only company improvements have been added to the system, but pilot improvements need time......thanks again USAPA.


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