Why would APA support Eagle? They're another union and they undercut AA mainline jobs flying AA mainline passengers. I don't see a reason for it, Eagle pilots haven't done anything for APA and aren't a part of APA.

 

What incentive is there for APA to give mainline seniority numbers to regional pilots?

Some feel that there is a long adversarial history between APA and AE that resulted in many AA pilots having their career expectations demolished. Ironically, some AE pilots feel the same way.

I'm still shocked the White House forces APA to outsource regional jets to AE. Imagine if APA had in-sourced this flying initially, and all of AE pilots were hired directly by APA.

 

Get a number when you show to class..... PSA/PDT and AE are all in the same boat.... Unfortunately it's not as simplistic as you're implying.....

 

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Really? How about the 1400 flights per day and all of the paying passengers we bring in to sit in the back of your airplanes so you earn a salary. If your being sarcastic, pardon my lack of humor it was a 0400 start today in order to fly passengers, along with a divert so they could fly on American jets. Don't forget we serve the same empire. Other than these thoughts...nice post, I enjoyed your humor, don't quit your day job though.

 

Actually, a few thousand of our pilots were furloughed and didn't "earn a salary" because their flying was given to a group willing to fly for peanuts.

How ironic that you may be undercut and lose your job to PSA w----s that are willing to do it for even less.

So thanks for all you "bring."

 

Your feelings are understandable Vyper. It can be hard to remain patient in the regionals, but they do create jobs that otherwise would have never existed. The outsourcing/loss of mainline jobs was certainly a benefit for me when I graduated from college!!!

The original flow through and seniority numbers given to AE were not negotiated because AE held any entitlement. The US government forced APA to give jet aircraft to Eagle. This may explain some animosity between APA and AE.

APA may respond to an incentive before an entitlement.

 

Do you really expect the APA to support the Eagle/Envoy pilots? Good luck with that. Where do I begin?

- Eagle expanding and taking mainline flying while some AA guys were furloughed for in excess of ten years.
- the Eagle MEC doing anything and everything to not only prevent a large number of TWA guys from flowing back, but to also ensure that those that did flow back were eventually booted from the left seat.
- Lousy (and some would say unfair) treatment of the flowbacks while in training and while flying the line.
- The Eagle MEC suing and winning a court case allowing Eagle flow-ups to begin training at AA BEFORE several hundred that still remained furloughed. This delayed the recall for several months.
- Someone from the Eagle MEC sending a letter to the president of AMR several years ago with an offer to fly 100 seat equipment for "reasonable" pay rates.
- Many at Eagle salivating at the thought of getting larger equipment (to perhaps include the airbus) during the AMR bankruptcy process.

Sorry, I for one, cannot see my union (the APA) doing anything to help Eagle/Envoy after what has transpired over the past dozen years or so.

 

I do not think you are explaining yourself correctly; or they're not fully understanding what you are saying. We have no problem issuing every single Eagle pilot numbers, but we want all aircraft and pilots on this property to do it. Issuing a block of numbers to people not on our property isn't going to happen again. It caused 13 years of arbitrations and lawsuits. No thanks. Further, why would we want to create more issues by having two new hires in the same class, and one goes on reserve while the other goes to holding a line... Neither of them having ever paid union dues, been a member, or been on our property before. Sounds like a reverse B-Scale to me. Not interested in opening another can of worms.

 

Well... at 20 a month it's 240 per year. The wording says it is suppose to be 50% but can be metered at 20. We believe we will win the 50% grievance and poster merger it will be a full 50% of combined AA classes. The grievance was only filed in anticipation of them violating the 50% . They haven't actually violated that part yet.
They are saying they are going to meter at 20 a month but have actually done a little better than 50% so far. We are watching the class sizes as it say 50% in aggregate over time. So we will see. Yes you can apply off the street and some are getting hired.