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Old 06-23-2014, 09:44 AM
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To go around McCaskill-Bond, the APA would need the support of management. In my opinion, there is too much money on the line for management to take sides. My guess is you will go to arbitration, and get an equipment merger exactly like every other merger.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TWA4ME View Post
Let's rehash the topic in a year from now. I hope I'm wrong and you get a fair deal... best of luck!
I hope everyone gets a "fair" deal, but that's not going to happen because the achievement of that subjective concept depends on ones expectations. I know on the AA side expectations vary pretty wildly as plenty on this side have trust issues with APA too and others are convinced exactly how it will go down (which is kinda ridiculous considering the fickleness of arbitrators). The PROCESS is all that can be controlled to the fair and equitable ideal, if arbitrated the result is anyone's guess.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah View Post
To go around McCaskill-Bond, the APA would need the support of management. In my opinion, there is too much money on the line for management to take sides. My guess is you will go to arbitration, and get an equipment merger exactly like every other merger.
Well, according to the MOU, management is required to remain neutral regarding actual order of the list.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:52 AM
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Well, according to the MOU, management is required to remain neutral regarding actual order of the list.
You will get an equipment merger, trust me, I have a lot of experience in this. The arbitrator may feel differently, but is obligated to go with precedent.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by eaglefly View Post
I don't see how this can happen. The MOU requires a "McCaskill-Bond" process and if negotiations fail, then arbitration decides. To say what you imply will occur, is basically saying there is no such thing as McCaskill-Bond. The critical aspect is NOT the presence of two unions, it's the assurance of a process whereby ALL parties have the opportunity to negotiate and should that fail, to present their positions to neutral arbitrators.
Ask Airtran pilots how that worked out for them...
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by TWA4ME View Post
USAir East/West you better get your **** together because APA is the enemy. Take a look at the TWA deal--expect that if not worse. If you do better than consider yourselves lucky....
The APA and USAPA both know that the key is to tie it up in the courts indefinitely... and to listen to the melodious west whining as the DOH clock tics along.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptainBigWood View Post
Well said TWA. Everyone thinks they deserve better than DOH.
I expect much less, so the longer this gets delayed the better.
Cacti, you are a great source of amusement, you are 757 International Captain with a 1998 hire. You expect APA to merge you in with there 1990 hire captains.
LOL
The point is I was a 757 captain when we merged, usapa's doh proposal steals my career and that of every west pilots while the Nic keeps everyone in the seats they brought. Newsflash, we merged in 2005.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:58 AM
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The NIC keeps you in the seats you "brought"? Does it limit, or prohibit, the west from moving into US w/b's?
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:10 AM
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The 'winning' side always it was fair. The 'losing' side always says it wasn't.

And then 'winners' say their merger agreement was fair but the other 'winners ' were unfair? Priceless.
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Old 06-23-2014, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
Ask Airtran pilots how that worked out for them...
A perfect example of just how every merger and SLI is different and thus unpredictable. To listen to many Usapains, they think that this merger/SLI is or should be a mimic of the UAL/CAL deal and this merger SLI is just as different from theirs as is SWA/AT is from ours.

Was the SWA/AT SLI negotiated or arbitrated ?
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