PurpleTurtle

The APA is a defendant in a federal lawsuit and is pumping sunshine. I'm impressed with how they can parse words.

"APA also has a duty to guarantee a process that will give the West pilots a fair opportunity to make their case in arbitration."

Do you think they view a West Merger Committee as a necessary element of a fair process?

eaglefly

It doesn't matter what APA says now. The above post should reinforce to all that the disciples of USAPA will believe nothing from anyone except that which is proclaimed from the throne of the Philacharlotonian junta of the planet USAPA. Should a judge deny them their injunction, I would expect he will simply be declared a corrupt agent of APA and it wouldn't surprise me then if USAPA held a pitchfork party, sacrificed a goat and attempt a forced coup of Ft. O'Connell.

It's obvious, USAPA's primary goal is to muzzle the West, which is pure Irony because they cry to the Heavens complaining APA is out to do to them what they are trying to do to the West.

PurpleTurtle

That is not true. That is absolutely not true. USAPA has no issue at all with the West pilots exercising every legal avenue they have.

The APA should be as gracious...

eaglefly

Baloney. If that were true, they'd offer the West their own reps to argue whatever position they choose. Didn't they slam the door on them when they requested the ability to offer the Nic up for consideration during the pre negotiation protocol phase forcing them to vacate the USAPA MC ?

Revisionist history with a dash of delusion. Might I suggest some tea and thorazine to salve the mind ?

PurpleTurtle

USAPA has no issue at all with the West pilots exercising every legal avenue they have.

If you want to say that is not true, then provide the legal venues the West are entitled to, and which USAPA is denying them.

And while you are at it, admit why you care so much about this to know that the West members of the merger committee resigned (and even why they did). How many APA pilots pride themselves on knowing so much about the committee members of another union?

Is your name Jerry Glass?

eaglefly

You're right, this statement isn't baloney, it's........

....malarkey. You (and apparently USAPA) are hiding behind a "legality" argument, yet by the same token, the MOU calls for USAPA to be rendered legally moot and USAPA agreed to it, but now is reneging. Then you (and apparently them) use the same argument to muzzle the West that you demand recognizes USAPA.

USAPA wants to muzzle the West, plain and simple. Always has, always will.

You're just deflecting the reality of what USAPA did. I bring that up because that is simply a demonstration of what USAPA still is attempting to do, now with AA pilots as collateral damage. Snort, puff, hem and haw all you want, we both know what I'm talking about. I guess you assume most pilots here aren't particularly intelligent in wading through B.S. when they see it, eh ?

No, but I'll give you a clue; Years ago, I hooked up with Stifler's mom.

FreighterGuyNow

Any ex TWA willing to post exactly how much you collected in the DFR suit ?

My math says $10,000 but all I've got are media stories.

crzipilot

Eagle,

You happily point that the MOU is supposed to lead to USAPA becoming a moot point.

So why don't you listen to the judges that have stated, time and time again that the NIC is moot? That, as others have pointed out, the way ALPA structured it, the only way for the NIC to become in effect, was a JCBA between East and West. With that never going to happen, the NIC is there but sits on a shelf unused.

Using your premise, the TWA folks should get another bite at the apple, like how the FA's are attempting now. Why should they not? Could it be possibly because their seniority integration has been memorialized withing a CBA and has been in use? Whereas the NIC has NEVER been memorialized within a CBA and never will be in the future.

Polarfr8dog

Just like most media stories with an aviation topic it's far from true. Not even close on the value. The three that brought on the lawsuit are going to get some serious cash, well into the six figures plus reimbursement of expenses. The rest of us are going to see varying amounts all the way down to just a couple hundred bucks.

eaglefly

Just as happily as many Usapians here point out that the West has no legal right to represent themselves or their interests or claim that the MOU says things it doesn't.

I haven't interpreted that judges have renedered the Nic moot, only that the dispute was considered unripe due to USAPA not imposing something other then the Nic. Your above statement is simply just another erroneous and self-serving interpretation. Personally, I don't care about the Nic as I have no control over that.

The TWA have been attempting another bite at the apple for years, where you been brutha ? I agree with you on the Nic not being used in its pure form, but I think the West has a right to a fair shot at arguing for it, if they so choose. That the difference between us, you (and USAPA) seek exclusion and I (and it appears APA) seek INCLUSION. Yet, to you Usapians, it's everyone else that has dubious motives despite the obvious representations. IMO, the ex-TWA'ers should be free to attempt whatever they choose.