Single Carrier Finding
09-16-2014, 01:11 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer
Aren't YOU a US Airways pilot? Weren't you just arguing that a couple of days ok? I think our insurance covers mental health disorders.
09-16-2014, 01:13 PM
#42
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Joined APC: Jun 2010
Posts: 449
Wow, some true colors coming out here. The AOL web mafia is in full force, they have been quiet for awhile getting their story straight.
As ackattacker plainly laid out, the HUGE windfall the West guys would get with what they want. They have looked at it and have found even greater fortunes if they can force the NIC, in combination with the AA pilots. Hence why the full force effect to try and down play what the NIC would have in this new 3 way.
They are on the hook for 3+million to their lawyer, you bet they want part of their 10million back instantly, once again I think they will be surprised with what they think will happen and what reality is. Once again they will call all the east pilots Scabs, among other names and yell at us as the reason they are stuck in PHX........
They were offered the NIC, their lawyer explained the gamble to them, and that they held all the RISK. they rolled the dice, and shortly after LAS was closed, and the east had to transfer 25% of the flying to them to maintain the PROTECTIONS the east negotiated for them..........
As ackattacker plainly laid out, the HUGE windfall the West guys would get with what they want. They have looked at it and have found even greater fortunes if they can force the NIC, in combination with the AA pilots. Hence why the full force effect to try and down play what the NIC would have in this new 3 way.
They are on the hook for 3+million to their lawyer, you bet they want part of their 10million back instantly, once again I think they will be surprised with what they think will happen and what reality is. Once again they will call all the east pilots Scabs, among other names and yell at us as the reason they are stuck in PHX........
They were offered the NIC, their lawyer explained the gamble to them, and that they held all the RISK. they rolled the dice, and shortly after LAS was closed, and the east had to transfer 25% of the flying to them to maintain the PROTECTIONS the east negotiated for them..........
09-16-2014, 01:23 PM
#43
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Joined APC: Jan 2013
Posts: 203
Originally Posted by morecowbell
Yah? So what's your point you ******ing jackoff. So what. The west guy hired in 2005 is captain. Prior to the merger that was his career expectation, to upgrade in approx 7-8 yrs. The easthole scum that was furloughed AT THE TIME OF MERGER would have still been in the unemployment line. Instead he returned to the newly merged carrier while that 2005 pilot was furloughed for 5 years.
You east guys are incredible. This is a different merger. AA wasn't a day from liquidating. Nevermind. No need to go into that "again". I'm as sick of saying it as you are sick of hearing it.
Why does the age of the pilot bother you so much. Sorry you missed yours due to your ****ty carrier and its many missteps and BK's. The SLI is going to slot positions, not a pilot based on his age.
So is that whats been bothering you old timers the past 8 years.....I get it now...."can't let a guy that got hired in his 20's upgrade in his 30's because I'm in my 50's and I should be there''.
Wait wait....everyone stop. US AIR is over in the corner crying again. They spilled their ice cream again, fell and got a booboo, and wet their pants. Quick, you there, give them yours would ya.
You east guys are incredible. This is a different merger. AA wasn't a day from liquidating. Nevermind. No need to go into that "again". I'm as sick of saying it as you are sick of hearing it.
Why does the age of the pilot bother you so much. Sorry you missed yours due to your ****ty carrier and its many missteps and BK's. The SLI is going to slot positions, not a pilot based on his age.
So is that whats been bothering you old timers the past 8 years.....I get it now...."can't let a guy that got hired in his 20's upgrade in his 30's because I'm in my 50's and I should be there''.
Wait wait....everyone stop. US AIR is over in the corner crying again. They spilled their ice cream again, fell and got a booboo, and wet their pants. Quick, you there, give them yours would ya.
09-16-2014, 01:24 PM
#44
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ackattacker Is plainly wrong. Not every west FO would be captain with the Nic in place. That's just more erroneous propaganda you east guys like to use. I think it helps you sleep better at night.
It is however, a very nice thought. But then again, so is the thought of letting the east go into liquidation and each of you working at home depot. Wait...never mind. I like home depot. That would ruin it for me.
It is however, a very nice thought. But then again, so is the thought of letting the east go into liquidation and each of you working at home depot. Wait...never mind. I like home depot. That would ruin it for me.
09-16-2014, 01:28 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by morecowbell
ackattacker Is plainly wrong. Not every west FO would be captain with the Nic in place. That's just more erroneous propaganda you east guys like to use. I think it helps you sleep better at night.
It is however, a very nice thought. But then again, so is the thought of letting the east go into liquidation and each of you working at home depot. Wait...never mind. I like home depot. That would ruin it for me.
It is however, a very nice thought. But then again, so is the thought of letting the east go into liquidation and each of you working at home depot. Wait...never mind. I like home depot. That would ruin it for me.
Ok how is that propaganda? By the NIC list every west f/o can hold grp II capt. With a no bump no flush, true there isn't enough capt positions for 800 west f/o's to go to capt immediately, but they could argue for ghost positions to be put in that the next 800 capt openings be subject to first refusal by all the West f/o's wouldn't be the same as every west f/o taking every capt seat, but would dramatically effect the progression of ALOT of other people.
Funny thing is, as Parker laid out, we might have gone into liquidation and working at home depot, but we'd be sr. to you again as we would have been there longer as your furlough was coming shortly after our liquidation. See how crystal balls work?
09-16-2014, 01:45 PM
#46
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Position: A320 Capt
Posts: 5,293
Originally Posted by morecowbell
Yah? So what's your point you ******ing jackoff. So what. The west guy hired in 2005 is captain. Prior to the merger that was his career expectation, to upgrade in approx 7-8 yrs. The easthole scum that was furloughed AT THE TIME OF MERGER would have still been in the unemployment line. Instead he returned to the newly merged carrier while that 2005 pilot was furloughed for 5 years.
You east guys are incredible. This is a different merger. AA wasn't a day from liquidating. Nevermind. No need to go into that "again". I'm as sick of saying it as you are sick of hearing it.
Why does the age of the pilot bother you so much. Sorry you missed yours due to your ****ty carrier and its many missteps and BK's. The SLI is going to slot positions, not a pilot based on his age.
So is that whats been bothering you old timers the past 8 years.....I get it now...."can't let a guy that got hired in his 20's upgrade in his 30's because I'm in my 50's and I should be there''.
Wait wait....everyone stop. US AIR is over in the corner crying again. They spilled their ice cream again, fell and got a booboo, and wet their pants. Quick, you there, give them yours would ya.
You east guys are incredible. This is a different merger. AA wasn't a day from liquidating. Nevermind. No need to go into that "again". I'm as sick of saying it as you are sick of hearing it.
Why does the age of the pilot bother you so much. Sorry you missed yours due to your ****ty carrier and its many missteps and BK's. The SLI is going to slot positions, not a pilot based on his age.
So is that whats been bothering you old timers the past 8 years.....I get it now...."can't let a guy that got hired in his 20's upgrade in his 30's because I'm in my 50's and I should be there''.
Wait wait....everyone stop. US AIR is over in the corner crying again. They spilled their ice cream again, fell and got a booboo, and wet their pants. Quick, you there, give them yours would ya.
Wow. I thought you guys would be happy today. Have any of you ever thought of gagging Ferguson? Don't threaten, do.
09-16-2014, 01:48 PM
#47
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Position: A320 Capt
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Originally Posted by Al Czervik
Is that an excuse?
09-16-2014, 01:51 PM
#48
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
Wow. I thought you guys would be happy today. Have any of you ever thought of gagging Ferguson? Don't threaten, do.
09-16-2014, 01:53 PM
#49
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Originally Posted by R57 relay
The west has been advertising for months that they would sue if USAPA didn't shut down immediately and refund the money in the treasury. Sounds like it was a preemptive shot, and keeps in NC. Just taking AOL at it's word...
09-16-2014, 01:56 PM
#50
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AOL update
Direct link to demand letter
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Dues_Demand_letter.pdf
Litigation Hold letter
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Lit_Hold_to_USAPA.pdf
Today, the NMB certified the Allied Pilots Association as the exclusive bargaining agent for all flight deck crewmembers of US Airways. You can read the NMB determination here. Effective immediately, USAPA no longer has the legal status of a collective bargaining agent.
USAPA is still in possession of a substantial amount of dues monies, collected from US Airways pilots for the purpose of collective bargaining - a purpose which they cannot fulfill anymore. A demand letter was sent on Friday September 12th to USAPA officers and counsel which notices USAPA for the remittance of all funds in excess to concluding USAPA's business as a exclusive bargaining agent required under the law. You can read the demand letter here.
Additionally, a Litigation Hold Letter was sent to USAPA attorney Brian O’Dwyer for the retention of all USAPA records.
Finally, we encourage all West pilots to apply for membership to our new collective bargaining agent. The APA has a convenient online application, which you can access here.
Thank you all for your continued support.
Sincerely,
Leonidas, LLC
USAPA is still in possession of a substantial amount of dues monies, collected from US Airways pilots for the purpose of collective bargaining - a purpose which they cannot fulfill anymore. A demand letter was sent on Friday September 12th to USAPA officers and counsel which notices USAPA for the remittance of all funds in excess to concluding USAPA's business as a exclusive bargaining agent required under the law. You can read the demand letter here.
Additionally, a Litigation Hold Letter was sent to USAPA attorney Brian O’Dwyer for the retention of all USAPA records.
Finally, we encourage all West pilots to apply for membership to our new collective bargaining agent. The APA has a convenient online application, which you can access here.
Thank you all for your continued support.
Sincerely,
Leonidas, LLC
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Dues_Demand_letter.pdf
Litigation Hold letter
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Lit_Hold_to_USAPA.pdf
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