BusSkyflyer

If the NMB does not determine a single carrier exists, how does a Republic pilot bid an Airbus FO seat?

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2010/37n039.pdf

http://www.nmb.gov/representation/deter2010/37n032.pdf

NMB 2010 Determinations (Sorted by Citation)

YXnot

He doesn't have to, he just shows up in his F9 painted Ejet and goes on his merry way

F9 Driver

They don't. The operations stay separate and this whole SLI hearing was for naught.

There has to be a single carrier determination, a single bargaining unit and that unit has to negotiate a CBA with RJET that includes a mechanism to implement the master seniority list.

Absent any of those items nothing new happens.

captfurlough

From the NMB as to how they determine if a carrier is a single transportation system:

The Board finds a single transportation system only when there is substantial integration of operations, financial control, and labor and personnel functions. Northwest Airlines, Inc./Delta Air Lines, Inc., 37 NMB 88 (2009); Florida N. R.R, 34 NMB 142 (2007); GoJet Airlines, LLC and Trans States Airlines, Inc., 33 NMB 24 (2005); Burlington N. Santa Fe Ry. Co., 32 NMB 163 (2005). Further, the Board has noted that a substantial degree of overlapping ownership, senior management, and Boards of Directors is critical to finding a single transportation system. Precision Valley Aviation, Inc., d/b/a Precision Airlines and Valley Flying Serv., Inc., d/b/a Northeast Express Reg’l Airlines, 20 NMB 619 (1993). The Board’s substantial integration of operations criteria does not, however, require total integration of operations. Allegheny Airlines, Inc. and Piedmont Airlines, Inc., 32 NMB 21, 28 (2004).
All subsidiaries are wholly owned by Republic, but each holds its own FAA operating certificate. The Boards of Directors of all the subsidiaries are comprised of the same individuals. Bryan Bedford, the President and CEO of Republic, is now the CEO of Frontier and Lynx. Wayne Heller is the COO of Republic, Frontier, and Lynx. VP of Labor Relations Ron Henson controls labor relations and HR functions at all of Republic’s subsidiaries. Management at all of Republic’s subsidiaries has been integrated and has reporting responsibilities to senior management at Republic. This type of consolidation of senior managers, personnel functions and labor relations are often indicia of single transportation systems. See Atlas Air, Inc./Polar Air Cargo Worldwide, Inc., 35 NMB 259, 269 (2008) (single system found in spite of separate operating certificates and separate flight-related management). 37 NMB No. 32 - 165

As it regards the question of representation for flight attendants, the NMB found that Chatauqua, Shuttle America, and Midwest were operating as one system. It declined to find that Frontier and Lynx were also a part of that system AT THIS POINT, but made mention of the possibility that as operations continue to be integrated they potentially could be construed to be a part of that same system. Looking at the definition of single transportation system in the NMB document above, it appears that this will probably be the case.

However, as noted in the previous post...that's just the first step.

zoooropa

This is straight from the NMB,without any "color" from either side:

Factors Indicating a Single Transportation System

The following are some indicia of a single transportation system:

(1) published combined schedules or combined routes;
(2) standardized uniforms;
(3) common marketing, markings or insignia;
(4) integrated essential operations such as
scheduling or dispatching;
(5) centralized labor and personnel operations;
(6) combined or common management, corporate officers, and board of directors;
(7) combined workforce; and,
(8) common or overlapping ownership.

We currently satisfy two out of the eight criteria (#6 and #8).

I don't know if we will ever satisfy #1 considering the fact that the fixed fee side doesn't even publish a schedule, or print tickets.

We don't have the same uniforms, and the NMB commonsly looks beyond this and references company manuals. We do not use the same manuals either.

Number three is similar to number one, the fixed fee side doesn't market and the livery is all over the place.

We do not have integrated essential operations. Neither scheduling nor dispatch are combined.

We do not have centralized labor and personnel operations.

We do not have combined lower and middle management, we do have combined officers.

No to #7 and yes to #8.

I believe that we may be ruled a single transportation system at some point, but I don't see how we can be today. Especially with the fixed fee side.

FAULTPUSH

I imagine that we'll have a ruling on that within the next 12 months. I've heard that IBT won't file for the ruling because they don't want to risk losing 1900 members. For sure YX will file for single carrier determination.

UND_Sioux

(1) Republic Airlines and Chautauqua Airlines flies for F9 on combined routes.
(2) Word is new uniforms are coming in the next few months.
(3) F9 marketing applies to flights on Republic and Chautauqua branded as Frontier
(4) Same director of SOC over all certificates.
(5) Everything is in Indy including HR
(6) Upper management at RAH is over all certificates
(7) This does not apply
(8) RAH owns all of it

I think a little more than 2 out of 8.

sticky

You are attempting to have a rational and logical conversation with those who are not. Much like the coach of the losing team, they are going to see EVERYTHING that interferes with their strides as a foul.

They will continue to define right and wrong as perceived by their wishes, abandoning the most simple, clear, and concise reasonings otherwise.

FLEX

100% agreed...excellent summary of the IBT and their positions during the SLI.

LeineLodge

Wonder how single carriers status would affect their codeshare agreements. If they are found to be a single carrier, would they not immediately be in violation of just about everyone's scope clause?

We all know in practice they are one company, but they are able to deviate around mainline scope clauses by playing the Operating Certificate shell game. No offense to the RAH guys, but it would be nice to see a spade called a spade regarding scope. They are in direct competition with their major codeshare partners on many routes, and in several of the big hubs.

Thoughts?