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Old 09-25-2014 | 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
They just showed some balls and didn't cave in to parker who wanted to hand them another pay cut. Stop giving them $hit.
I fully support and commend them for not taking a paycut when the airline is producing record profits.

It was the insinuation that had they taken one, then the mainline 737 and MD 80 fleets could be then given to Eagle I find a bit much to claim.
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Old 09-25-2014 | 12:55 PM
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I hear scope was discussed at the PHL base meeting. APA reps said there would be no budging on scope. Good to hear.
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Old 09-25-2014 | 01:51 PM
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I see what Parker's up to here. He's been after these draconian pay cuts and 12/4 pay caps at the regionals, not to save even more money on an already weak cost unit over there, but to drive that cost disparity between your regional lift providers and the mainline so high, that he'll have all the ammo he needs to try and yank scope out from under you. The Eagle, er Envoy pilots saw this coming and rightly put their foot down and told him "NO"! Not once, but Three times. Unfortunately, PSA and PDT couldn't see all this and told him "Yes". If Parker can drive the cost of the regionals down enough, he'll be asking you to give up your 190's, or group 2 aircraft to the regionals, or threaten your pay under that you agreed to in the MOU. What'll be next? MD80's, 737's? Don't fall for that sh!t!!! Don't give up a d@mned thing!!! Not like he can threaten to shut you down, like he threatened to do at Eaglevoy.
Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
They just showed some balls and didn't cave in to parker who wanted to hand them another pay cut. Stop giving them $hit.

except they did cave
they made a final offer back to aag with the caps, and other things they were looking for, and dougie told them they were too late and to pound sand until 2016

eagle also demanded all the aircraft slated for pdt (these ones they were supposedly defending for mainline ) , AND to shanghai our flow slots away from us to use themselves
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Old 09-25-2014 | 01:53 PM
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Yes this is true. Wilson has told negotiating committee to not budge on scope. He said keep writing to your local base reps though so they can pass the message on.
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Old 09-26-2014 | 11:35 AM
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Saw an AA guy on coming off the crew bus in STL the other day, and his lanyard said "SCOPE" in big letters all the way around.

I hope that means what I think it means.
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Old 09-26-2014 | 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TallFlyer
Saw an AA guy on coming off the crew bus in STL the other day, and his lanyard said "SCOPE" in big letters all the way around.

I hope that means what I think it means.
he works with a lot of people with halitosis
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Old 09-27-2014 | 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by dash8
except they did cave
they made a final offer back to aag with the caps, and other things they were looking for, and dougie told them they were too late and to pound sand until 2016

eagle also demanded all the aircraft slated for pdt (these ones they were supposedly defending for mainline ) , AND to shanghai our flow slots away from us to use themselves
Entire post is not accurate. Interesting spin, and I'm sure it helped your pilots justify caving; but it's not really accurate.

The mainline scope needs to remain untouched. Getting more restrictive and slowly taking it back would be better.
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Old 09-27-2014 | 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Entire post is not accurate. Interesting spin, and I'm sure it helped your pilots justify caving; but it's not really accurate.

The mainline scope needs to remain untouched. Getting more restrictive and slowly taking it back would be better.
Interesting, an union official advocating for the loss of jobs at the carrier in which he represent the pilots.

I get what you're saying, but don't forget, you represent the lifers too, also the FOs that could be furloughed or stagnated if scope is recaptured at mainline.
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Old 09-27-2014 | 06:15 AM
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"Interesting" is how you came to that conclusion based on what Cujo said
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Old 09-27-2014 | 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
Entire post is not accurate. Interesting spin, and I'm sure it helped your pilots justify caving; but it's not really accurate.

The mainline scope needs to remain untouched. Getting more restrictive and slowly taking it back would be better.
i agree that mainline scope needs to get wider, you'll get no argument from me there, republic and the old airways screwed the pooch on that with the mid-atlantic debacle

that information came from our nc, i take it to be reliable as they aren't prone to confabulation, perhaps my wording isn't concise but the intent/implication of the eagle offer is
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