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Sliceback 10-05-2014 08:40 AM
Have you sent it to the SLI committee?

flybywire44 10-05-2014 08:52 AM
3 way seniority integration-Fire Away
 
In the end, the arbitrator is keen on evenly distributing pilots. Both sides (USAPA and APA) can try to appreciate their positions with maximum credits, but the arbitrator will cut through all of this inflation for an award.

Review of the most recent UAL-CAL award is beneficial insight into how Arbitrator Eishen operates.

PurpleTurtle 10-05-2014 09:05 AM
Originally Posted by encore (Post 1740566)
If 3 separate lists are brought together, everyone seems to agree that it would most likely be the lists that were in effect either on the announcement date or the POR.

With this in mind, in a 3-way combination, is it possible that a pre-AA merger US East new hire (someone hired in 2006-2012) could end up senior to a West pilot hired before the HP/US merger?
Only if one holds the HP logic of yesteryear.

flybywire44 10-05-2014 09:11 AM
Originally Posted by encore (Post 1740566)
If 3 separate lists are brought together, everyone seems to agree that it would most likely be the lists that were in effect either on the announcement date or the POR.

With this in mind, in a 3-way combination, is it possible that a pre-AA merger US East new hire (someone hired in 2006-2012) could end up senior to a West pilot hired before the HP/US merger?
Absent Nic, junior west pilots may desire DOH methodology.

encore 10-05-2014 09:47 AM
Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1740579)
Only if one holds the HP logic of yesteryear.
Wow, so the potential exists? That could make things interesting.

TallFlyer 10-05-2014 09:52 AM
If you're going to toss the Nic seems to me you'd have to consider 4 lists, pre-merger East and West, US AIR 3rd listers, and pre merger AA.

DCA A321 FO 10-05-2014 09:58 AM
Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1740607)
If you're going to toss the Nic seems to me you'd have to consider 4 lists, pre-merger East and West, US AIR 3rd listers, and pre merger AA.
The so called "Third Listers" are part of the East list, there is no Third Lister List.

TallFlyer 10-05-2014 10:07 AM
Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO (Post 1740613)
The so called "Third Listers" are part of the East list, there is no Third Lister List.
My point being that if you just did a hypothetical relative seniority integration of the East and West list, with all the "Third Listers" as part of the East list, the Westies would be justified in being more than a little upset with that. Ultimately Third Listers should be junior to anyone hired prior to the announcement of the East/West Merger.

encore 10-05-2014 10:14 AM
Originally Posted by TallFlyer (Post 1740617)
My point being that if you just did a hypothetical relative seniority integration of the East and West list, with all the "Third Listers" as part of the East list, the Westies would be justified in being more than a little upset with that. Ultimately Third Listers should be junior to anyone hired prior to the announcement of the East/West Merger.
Why is that necessarily so? Why should someone that can hold 190 CA or 330 FO be put behind someone who can only hold reserve 320 FO?

3 lists means 3 lists.

The Drizzle 10-05-2014 10:22 AM
Originally Posted by encore (Post 1740619)
Why is that necessarily so? Why should someone that can hold 190 CA or 330 FO be put behind someone who can only hold reserve 320 FO?

3 lists means 3 lists.
Not that I support this thinking, but I see this as a big risk for the junior West pilots if they do, in fact, get their own merger committee. Using their own merger logic from the HP/US merger would have them treated exactly the way the 17 year pilot was in the Nic.

May you live in interesting times.


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