Originally Posted by flybywire44 (Post 1778644)

Lets not forget that USAPA did not have resources to properly analyze the MOU as they were to busy fighting with the West.

So now West loses Nic and, along with East, fails to get the best JCBA result. :(

Originally Posted by Sunvox (Post 1778852)

A few minor nit-noids . . .

1) Although true the Mccaskill-Bond Statute uses the Allegheny-Mohawk Labor Protective Provisions which do not include specifics like the ALPA policy, it does use the same words "fair and equitable" and given Arbitrator Eischen's long history I am confident that Category and Class will carry the day.

2) I'm not sure I agree with your characterization of the UAL SLI with regards to longevity. The list was created using a mathematical sorting algorithm provided by UAL-ALPA. In the original UAL proposed ISL I was 500 numbers higher than I ended up. The reason this happened was because the original list was created with a 50/50 weight wherein Category and Class was equal to longevity, but in the final award the arbitrators used the tool to make the ratio 65/35 where longevity accounted for only 35% of the final result. This resulted in my losing over 500 numbers and instead of being mixed with '96 hires I was mixed with '98 hires.

But, like I said, really just nit-noid stuff.

It's a shame most folks have such a pessimistic outlook 'cuz I think this could be good for everybody if you can just somehow get it behind you.


And, you're welcome! It's all just entertainment on the inter-webs anyways and doesn't mean a thing in real life :D

Originally Posted by flyinawa (Post 1778863)

Just so I understand it correctly....the WEST is to blame for USAPA not adequately analyzing the MOU? Good lord, man...is there anything East pilots WON'T blame on the West?

Originally Posted by flyinawa (Post 1778863)

Just so I understand it correctly....the WEST is to blame for USAPA not adequately analyzing the MOU? Good lord, man...is there anything East pilots WON'T blame on the West?

Originally Posted by FreighterGuyNow (Post 1778922)

We will give you a pass on ebola.

All the rest is on you.

Originally Posted by flyinawa (Post 1779048)

That heart burn you got after wolfing down two double quarter pounders? Yeah...sorry about that.

Originally Posted by Bad-Andy (Post 1779254)

How about global warming? Can I get an apology for that, too? :D

Originally Posted by flyinawa (Post 1778863)

Just so I understand it correctly....the WEST is to blame for USAPA not adequately analyzing the MOU? Good lord, man...is there anything East pilots WON'T blame on the West?

Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 1778836)

I know it didn't "affect" their attention plan. As you can see, a Protocol agreement has been reached and from what I have read so far the West Pilots have NO CASE for participant status. NONE.



As far as JCBA (as per MOU II) USAPA wasn't the ONLY one dancing to the tune. So was APA whose BOD voted for it (the MOU) and USAPA rank and file. They GOT what they wanted and the JCBA WILL be fully available either through the current negotiations OR through arbitration.



The JCBA didn't come BEFORE the MOU, it is a result OF the MOU and it is being negotiated assuredly. But make no mistake, we'll get a JCBA either through negotiations OR through arbitration.



Back to the seniority integration here is MY prediction:



The West do not have legal standing to participant status and



The US Airways pilots can PROVE that their contribution to the survival of American Airlines and the merger with US Airways thereof was significant and consequently the US Airways pilots as of the CN date will have significant positional recognition in relation to the APA pilots in the merged seniority list.