texaspilot76

Having a select union board decide our fates among themselves is not acceptable. They need to put an agreement out for a vote. If it is not acceptable by the majority, then it will be voted down. My point is, they need to get the best agreement possible, then put it out for a vote to let us decide for ourselves, not them. It shouldnt be just their choice to go to arbitration.

R57 relay

Post of the year! Eaglefly can sling it, but not catch it. He has done nothing to promote unity.

Let me state this clearly. No AA pilot, or the APA has to worry about me stabbing them in the back, and I think that goes for most US pilots, east and west. If the APA board decides tomorrow that we go to arbitration, so be it.

R57 relay

Sometime you confuse stating the obvious with attacking.

eaglefly

Union-busters have been advocating this strategy for years...........decades. Bypass the union leadership (its elected purpose) and negotiate directly with pilots. They know their odds of cementing inferior contracts increase substantially when they can manipulate and prey upon the large segment of pilots who aren't involved or knowledgable about their tactics or even the positives and negatives of the issues, especially coupled with those who seek to avoid any risk whatsoever and sign the first offer that's presented to them.

Union leadership making decisions on pilot's behalf is exactly one of the accepted by-products of choosing to unionize in the first place.

If negotiations produces something substantially OTHER then what's been offered, then perhaps APA will have reason to do that. If they did that with what's been presented so far having said what they've said so far, they'd emasculate themselves both with the majority of their own pilots and with management. That is the "rock and a hard place" I said they put themselves in previously. If the present proposal is put out for vote and its voted down, not only are we going to arbitration, but we're screwed as both a cohesive force and a credible threat going forward and that's a hell of a price to pay for letting Jerry dictate how we determine our fate.

inline five

I can't really find any sort of long winded language. Although the one I did see just talked about reducing the plan value to avoid the tax, if they also increase the contract in other ways I'd be all for that.

The company benefits by not having to pay a 40% tax and we benefit by getting the same value out of the contract in another way. But it would have to benefit everyone equally.

flyinawa

I see words on the screen but every post you make sounds like, "blah, blah, blah." Are you feeling disenfranchised by the larger group? Are you upset APA seems more concerned with the needs of Legacy AA pilots and aren't real concerned about Legacy US? Awwwwww.... (That's the sound of me not feeling particularly sorry for you and you brothers)

R57 relay

Not at all, just being pragmatic. I see that we have a deal, and that we may get something better, but we may have to live with the original deal.

Hmmm, seems that happened before. Maybe some west guys should have tried that.

Tell the AA guys about your former MEC chairman asking how he could turn in east pilots and how your data was used in an injunction against USAPA. So they know not to turn their back on you.

Spoiler

Correct
Pilot votes yield less than mec ratification
A number of ALPA properties and the apa advocated electorate vs popular vote
Woerth gave a reasoned apologetic from NWA's experience to me personally

bassslayer

The "New AA" will be a larger, much more financially stable ( and a bit better paying) version of US Airways. Why anyone thought it would be anything different is baffling to me.

texaspilot76

Looks like a deal may be forthcoming. According to the article, it says no vote is required for passage. What I am I missing? Isn't a vote required to make a TA into the CBA?

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