AAL submits proposal
11-27-2014 | 11:52 AM
#371
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How self centered and short sighted can you be. You clearly can't wait to vote yes.
Keep looking out for number one. Your brothers and sisters appreciate the unity.
Arbitration loses nothing as far as work rules go (not to mention contract duration). You're from Texas???
Keep looking out for number one. Your brothers and sisters appreciate the unity.
Arbitration loses nothing as far as work rules go (not to mention contract duration). You're from Texas???
Glad you're not a fair representation of the rest of us.
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11-27-2014 | 12:13 PM
#372
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I don't want any concessions, but the tax is from the government, thanks to the ACA. Im not sure how that's the company's fault. I guess we could mitigate it by asking them to pay us more, but the real solution is to repeal the ACA (not likely to happen). Unfortunately, healthcare is just going to keep getting more expensive and lower quality.
11-27-2014 | 12:58 PM
#373
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11-27-2014 | 02:03 PM
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Perhaps we should slide a blank sheet across the table to Doug, Scott and Jerry and let them fill in the blanks on what OTHER contractual items we have that they (and apparently some of the pilots) don't consider "concessions" ?
I mean, if we're just going to negotiate against ourselves and give things away, why not ?
Man, some of you guys must get clobbered at car dealerships.
I mean, if we're just going to negotiate against ourselves and give things away, why not ?
Man, some of you guys must get clobbered at car dealerships.
11-27-2014 | 02:04 PM
#375
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Not really sure about you but healthcare is huge for me and I now pay $150/pay ck more for the same 80/20 type of plan as I had last year. Thats $300 a month if you were counting which all but wipes out the new rate. Now they want a tax on top of that too. Now in my world that is a concession and an enormous one at that...
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11-27-2014 | 02:08 PM
#376
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To add to this, at LAA we have several bases with co-terminals. NYC is LGA/EWR/JFK, DCA also covers BWI and IAD, MIA has FLL, I believe LAX has SAN. I know for a fact (been there, done that) that it's impossible to live within a two hour report time of all three airports in NYC and DCA.
I live 23 miles from the employee lot in DFW, at the wrong time of day, I'm probably not going to make it from phone call, to ops in two hours.
Another problem with this deal for me, is combining domestic and international divisions. I have no desire to do international. You should be able to stay on one side or the other by your choice. The whole thing is BS, there shouldn't be any concessions, period.
I live 23 miles from the employee lot in DFW, at the wrong time of day, I'm probably not going to make it from phone call, to ops in two hours.
Another problem with this deal for me, is combining domestic and international divisions. I have no desire to do international. You should be able to stay on one side or the other by your choice. The whole thing is BS, there shouldn't be any concessions, period.
I think this is the perfect time to say no. There is little downside to sticking with the MOU, it's what we voted for, and it may be better than accepting any concessions for the "small" raise. What amazes me is that so many people don't see to understand what has already been given up.
Maybe Parker blinked. Let's see if he is really afraid of arbitration. I personally think that he wants a deal, but not at any cost and this group needs to be fully educated about the road ahead. I fly with a lot of guys that don't understand it, and from reading C&R, a lot of AA guys don't either.
11-27-2014 | 03:21 PM
#377
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I don't want any concessions, but the tax is from the government, thanks to the ACA. Im not sure how that's the company's fault. I guess we could mitigate it by asking them to pay us more, but the real solution is to repeal the ACA (not likely to happen). Unfortunately, healthcare is just going to keep getting more expensive and lower quality.
It's ridiculous the company is trying to pass it on to us.
This is the biggest concession put on the table IMO.
11-27-2014 | 03:52 PM
#378
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I think your statement is dead balls on too btw. Good post.
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11-27-2014 | 04:00 PM
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How do you propose the company offset this? Just higher wages? Believe me, I don't like it either, but I place the blame squarely with Obama.
11-27-2014 | 06:07 PM
#380
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There's a lot of poor wording out there regarding the JCBA negotiations. After looking at it more, the company isn't looking to pass the tax on to us. It's looking to reduce the overall value of the health care plan to avoid getting taxed, and then to compensate us in some other way for the difference.
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