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kingairip 01-04-2015 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ghilis101 (Post 1795643)
no, you have not chosen your fate yet. This vote determines your fate, for the next several years.

This vote doesn't control my fate. It matters very little to me one way or the other. Whatever is decided, I promise you I won't be on this board complaining about it. I'll leave that to eaglefly and his ilk.

ghilis101 01-04-2015 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kingairip (Post 1795654)
If I thought that was the path to best value, I would vote to reject this deal. Problem is...a bunch of morons created and voted in a contract through 2019 that sets our cost level in stone. The vote no crowd crowing now should have voted no to that contract. As it is, a no vote now is just a hope and a dream that management will give more. Hoping and dreaming isn't a strategy of successful people.

that's taken completely out of context. remember:

1- you were in bankruptcy
2- you trusted Parker in good faith in that MOU under a promise that this day would come and you'd be offered a fair JCBA. (You weren't offered a fair JCBA, just to be clear)

Now youre financially very profitable and growing. You also now know Parker's true colors. You don't need to learn any more lessons. You know now that its time to put an end to the bleeding. Vote no.

eaglefly 01-04-2015 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by kingairip (Post 1795654)
If I thought that was the path to best value, I would vote to reject this deal. Problem is...a bunch of morons created and voted in a contract through 2019 that sets our cost level in stone. The vote no crowd crowing now should have voted no to that contract. As it is, a no vote now is just a hope and a dream that management will give more. Hoping and dreaming isn't a strategy of successful people.

The same majority who screwed that pooch are the same ones looking to bang this dog too. Some of us are trying to zip up their pants for them, but when a whole group of pilots arrive waving their schlongs all over the place looking for the same furry receptacle, it makes our efforts that much more difficult. The "hoping and dreaming" is done by those who think this bad deal will be palatable for the long-term.

Tuck it back in, zip it up and just say "no".

eaglefly 01-04-2015 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by kingairip (Post 1795664)
This vote doesn't control my fate. It matters very little to me one way or the other. Whatever is decided, I promise you I won't be on this board complaining about it. I'll leave that to eaglefly and his ilk.

If it passes, there will be nothing to complain about. The majority will have decided our lfate and thus we must all live with it for many, many years. I suspect the complaining will be from those who want a do-over in a few years once they fully digest the long-term consequences of cutting their balls off like this. Of course, should it fail, you can also be sure there will be those who wanted the quick cash and will attempt to tip over the apple cart in the hope Doug and Jerry can pick up a few apples and use them as effective weapons against the group again.

EMBFlyer 01-04-2015 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1795671)
The same majority who screwed that pooch are the same ones looking to bang this dog too. Some of us are trying to zip up their pants for them, but when a whole group of pilots arrive waving their schlongs all over the place looking for the same furry receptacle, it makes our efforts that much more difficult.

Tuck it back in, zip it up and just say "no".

You paint such a beautiful picture with the English language! :D

eaglefly 01-04-2015 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by EMBFlyer (Post 1795682)
You paint such a beautiful picture with the English language! :D

I think from a message effectiveness standpoint, you have to find new and creative ways to communicate to the human mind. If anything here, I'd hate to be called "boring". ;)

nwa757 01-04-2015 10:11 AM

This agreement would set AA pilots up to trail Delta 2016-2020 as they get their new contract as well as United in 2017.

It's a shame that people don't have more self respect and respect for their profession. About to lock a bankruptcy contract in for another 5 years for pay that is barely on parity with the rest of the industry.

fr8tmastr 01-04-2015 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kingairip (Post 1795510)
Whatever, MF. The proof is in the pudding. Guys like you, your father-in-law, eaglefly and Purple Turtle ran USAPA for years. We saw the results. Didn't work out so well. Wages at bankruptcy rates and the laughing stock of the industry resulted. No thanks.

Frickin Brilliant, do you really have that little of a clue, or are you just too busy hating USAPA to see anything?
Judging by the lack of backbone and general impotence of this pilot group I'm going to go with you have no clue.

Hurry out and vote YES to the latest concession plan, you sure deserve it!!!! Just think you will be the highest paid pilot all the way through December of 2015 when Delta gets their profit sharing. Not to mention their vastly superior working conditions.
Enjoy your shiny nickel, it will be a big deal for several months

kingairip 01-04-2015 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by fr8tmastr (Post 1795725)
Frickin Brilliant, do you really have that little of a clue, or are you just too busy hating USAPA to see anything?
Judging by the lack of backbone and general impotence of this pilot group I'm going to go with you have no clue.

Hurry out and vote YES to the latest concession plan, you sure deserve it!!!! Just think you will be the highest paid pilot all the way through December of 2015 when Delta gets their profit sharing. Not to mention their vastly superior working conditions.
Enjoy your shiny nickel, it will be a big deal for several months

Delta gets their profit sharing in February, dumb a$$.

fr8tmastr 01-04-2015 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by kingairip (Post 1795623)
No. I'm just not a pathetic whiner. I chose my own fate.

Yea, by agreeing to whatever you are told by management, you sure are a tough guy.


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