Originally Posted by Route66 (Post 1797781)

I'm with you. Of course, EF will now qualify you as "anti-union" for going against him.

Originally Posted by psw757 (Post 1798091)

I think the point he was trying to make is, APA really seemed to put their focus on pay during this process, even in their two counter proposals it was mainly about pay. I truly think this is what they thought would be of most value to the pilots.

Now it seems everyone is saying screw the money we want the work rules but problem is it is too late for that. They could have countered with no pay raises but lets get a 5:15 day and better disability or just 321 as group iii and that's it. But then everyone would be *****ing about the substandard pay.

Typical pilot bull%$#@, never happy no matter what.

Whole situation is a real shame and they could have done better for us and the previous poster is right, when this is all over there will be a push for some new blood in this clown show of a union.

Originally Posted by PurpleTurtle (Post 1798101)

You told us you don't even belong to the union, and you blame EF. Join and pay your dues. Dead beat. Just sayin' :D

Originally Posted by texaspilot76 (Post 1798075)

APA should have fought for that calendar day from the start. But instead, they worried too much about furlough credit, disability, etc, i.e. stuff that doesn't affect most of us.

Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1798083)

They also focused way too much on hourly pay. Typical AA. Hopefully by the next time we start talking those guys have been booted out or retired and we can get some fresh blood in the leadership.