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Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1797500)

I'm not sure if you're intentionally missing the gist of what I'm trying to get through to you or not.

I disagree that it's a BETTER place to be. At this point, my gut says we are getting a contract VALUE that is overall higher than the present one.

If we go to arbitration we lose the overall higher value and end up with status quo. Regardless of what we trade, it's going to end up being cost neutral which as an overall value is much lower than what is currently on the table, IMO.

We need the APA to provide relevant details and costs involved with everything as well as the language...

Got your gist, but I'm not sure you're getting my vibe of tragedy. To wit, with arbitration we still retain items Parker wants and very likely will try to again negotiate for (just like a Envoy). With this TA, he has everything but scope and the cheapest pilots in all contractual aspects essentially forever. With no contractual weapons of leverage, we're left with putting it all on the line in 2020 or likely years later and let's face it......if we can't do it now, we don't do it in 5-10 years when we're all older and more risk adverse.

Game over.

"Tragedy"

You use this word a lot. A tragedy is watching Enron employees lose everything.

Meh, whatever. Get back to rowing Parker's slave ship, Eaglefly!

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1797622)

You're still ignoring the fact that the dom/intl and HBT really isn't worth all that much. In dollar terms.

Parker gets his either way - either he gets the pilots to agree to do away with the above or he keeps pay rates lower and that compensates for the lack of efficiency created by not getting his wants.

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Originally Posted by Hueypilot (Post 1797629)

"Tragedy"

You use this word a lot. A tragedy is watching Enron employees lose everything.

Meh, whatever. Get back to rowing Parker's slave ship, Eaglefly!

I do use that term. That's because I'm watching a shipwreck and can't look away, but it's the yes voters begging to man the oars on the S.Y.O. (ScrewYouOver) Parker.

Not to worry. I plan to stock my lifeboat in 2020 and row myself away before she rolls over on down to Davy Jones' locker. :)

You really should quit flying here and go write soap opera story lines.

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Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1797643)

You are right. Neither HBT nor the combination of divisions really amounts to much dollar-wise. It's not much of a QOL give, if you can call it that. There's as much upside as down, it really depends on which angle you focus on most. It could mean a net reduction in headcount, but potential for growth which could ultimately grow headcount. Overall even APA valued all of the company's requests at around $120 million over the life of the contract.

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Originally Posted by Hueypilot (Post 1797659)

You really should quit flying here and go write soap opera story lines.

In 2020, you may want to yourself. My condolences in advance.

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Originally Posted by inline five (Post 1797643)

You'll always think I'm ignoring that until I agree with you.

I'm sorry, but you have a looooong wait ahead of you on that.

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Originally Posted by eaglefly (Post 1797665)

In 2020, you may want to yourself. My condolences in advance.

I doubt it. Unlike you I actually like my job.

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Originally Posted by Hueypilot (Post 1797670)

I doubt it. Unlike you I actually like my job.

Yea sure, I hate my job. :cool:

Too funny.

I see no purpose in pointlessly wasting my time with you. Congrats on your yes vote and say hi ! to your idol for me at the next P conference.