The No voters rationale is they want to sell HBT and dom/intl in arbitration.

The union comes up with a value and the company comes up with a value and the arbitrator determines their "true" value.

Nothing at all from the APA has told us what the value of HBT and dom/intl is...we could be getting a much better deal this time around yet we don't even know it.

We don't have any of the information to make an informed decision.

If we are making an extra $85 mil a year in compensation but giving up $30 mil in concessions, we're coming out way ahead in a cost neutral JCBA process.

It's sickening to me that Delta gets 13/14 days off, min day, etc. Even my commuter had 12/13 days off for lineholders and reserves, min day, duty and trip rigs, etc.

But we're handcuffed by the MTA.

Face realty.

I think the discussion was regarding pbs language

One drawback to the Delta system is, the ability to swap up to FAR max flying. That's the part that eliminated jobs, as I said above, for every three guys doing it, that's one less pilot you need in category. If we had closed some of those loopholes there wouldn't have been so much stagnation.

Another drawback is, if you are junior, you are going to fly both the crappiest trips, on the worst days (weekends and holidays). Under our old line of time bidding, if you were junior, you might get lucky and find a good trip over the holidays, or have to fly a bunch of crappy trips...but be able to get Christmas off.

Now...no way. The good trips will all be sucked up by the senior pilots, all that's left when the computer gets down to the bottom line holders, is crappy trips, every weekend and every holiday.

That's why guys now bid to be as senior as possible in category, because PBS makes Seniority matter more. Being senior got better, but being junior sucks more.

Not sure how the lines are at AA but on the US side I can't say I've ever seen a line with 10 days off. I may be wrong though.

This is true Timbo. Imagine the kind of trips junior AA pilots are about to be subjected to with only 10 days off, and no min calendar day to serve as a credit buffer to prevent a piling on of low credit trips. They will have no backstop.

I've seen a few secondaries with 17-18 days of flying, but that's about it. Most of them run around 15-16 days of flying.

There are some AA lines (particularly on the Airbus in DFW and MIA) that are running 18-19 days of flying. I'm not sure why that is...but the trips don't look particularly efficient in any case. Hopefully PBS will help out in that arena.

Yeah...we just got our mid day up to 5:15, but now the company is building some 5 day trips, they say it's more efficient...

Think about flying 5 on, 3 off! Ouch!

Oh and the they don't get paid jack sh%# and there schedules still suck and they get 10 days off on rsv.

Really comparing this to Mesa?

DFW A319/I had 12-day off lines with a 2 on/1 off cadence. Many of the MIA I Widebody reserves get 30 house out of domicile and effectively end up with min days off.

I'm wondering if the DFW A319 lines suck that bad because it's a new jet and it's still being worked into the schedule...the CLT and PHL A319 lines are no where near that bad, with the exception of a few secondaries.