$$$ can blind some to just about anything. :cool:

Yes I do consider it slight given the fact of what's being given up. Why do you think Parker wants no min day + hbt + intl/dom all in one. Another thing coming soon is pbs as well. The money you think you will make extra will disappear due to sitting on trips and in hotels not getting paid. Even 25k is maybe 1400 a month you'll see in your pocket at best. Just be patient for parity.

In min day is so important, and the company values it at $85 mil over the course of the contract, reduce the pay rates by $85 mil and ask for min day.

Done.

$85 mil over 5 years over 15,000 pilots is around $1100 a year net wage loss, or roughly $1.25/hr. The senior CAs would bear the brunt of the wage reduction anyway.

APA should've done that when they did their LBFO, because they knew how much min day was important to the pilot group.

The apa has sent out numerous charts showing mou pay and managements offer and delta as well as delta getting some raises. It's all been sent numerous times.

Sorry to interrupt, but I don't have time to go back through 12 pages. Does this offer have Preferential Bidding in it? I'm a Delta guy who was very much against it when PBS came to us. It did cost us a lot of jobs. Exactly how many is up for debate, but the range is anywhere from 8% to more than 15%, depending on what you want to use for parameters, because when we went to PBS, we also raised our monthly caps.

We now have a whole lot of guys who are flying right up to the FAR's, every month. That's 25 more hours, per month, than under our old 75hr. cap system. i.e. they are flying 33% MORE!

How many jobs do you think that eliminates when you multiply it out by the thousands or guys who are doing it? For every 3 guys flying 33% more, that's one less body you need.

I know that PBS was one of the sticking points in your earlier negotiations, but I haven't heard if it's still alive in this agreement, or is it fully dead?

PBS is being implemented as we type. First roll-out on the smaller fleets around fall-ish of 2015. The larger fleets will see it in early 2016.

That was an overinflated estimate of the value of min calendar day, probably based on every single lineholder working 20 days a month making 103 hours pay per month. The APA ask of min calendar day for the current proposal is beyond fair, to be viewed as a greedy proposal is shocking to me. Deltas pilot group is 2000 less pilots and their package is currently worth $2.5 billion, according to recent company quotes. That contract was signed in 2012. You're being offered a $1.7 Billion deal, and you have to spread that among 2000 more pilots. To ask for 85 million more (I bet it's not even half that) is beyond fair.

Of course it's fair, but it's not happening. Y'all need to face the facts.

So with that reality, giving up $1/hr to get the rig in there seems like a smart choice.

We are hindered by the cost neutral MTA. That is what we are fighting against.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda. We are where we are and the choice now is between instant gratification and terminal invalidity or patience and relevance.

Thanks, did you also raise the monthly max flying cap?