No kidding. All you hardcore unionists keep projecting this doom and gloom. I think there's a more political union agenda behind all that rhetoric. "Oh no! The sky is falling!"

I agree with the post above that when regular section 6 comes up, if the company is still profitable, we will have the leverage to secure a Delta or better contract. We do not have that ability right now.

The value plan is at company discretion. Cadillac affects the other two and this could be arbitrated. From my understanding though, we have a reverse "me too" scenario that puts us in the same boat as other employee groups and thus our premiums could end up in the Obama Care range. They could get all that money back and then some.

But don't look at the man behind the curtain.......look over here......here.....I have some shiny candy for you ! :rolleyes:

If I'm not mistaken, under the law, the company is required to pay the tax.

The best way to insure that our healthcare won't erode further, short of a supreme court victory, is for everyone to vote in a Republican president in 2016.

It doesn't ?

Could you tell me what your strategy is in 2020 when we once again drop to our knees and pray Parker doesn't say "no" ?



Specifically,

A. Tell me what leverage we will have with our broken group still blaming each other for this disaster who will all be older with many who haven't already retired, are very close to it ?

B. Tell me what leverage we will have with the worst (most competitively advantageous to management) work rules and benefits of all the competitive legacy carriers ?

C. Tell me what leverage we will have with the lowest pay scales of the big three ?

D. Explain why Parker won't kick the can for another 5 years after that considering the above future FACTS ?

E. Convince me as an older, more senior pilot much CLOSER to retirement why I shouldn't act in self-interest as many advocate now (rationalized or not) for a few extra bucks and a little sooner as opposed to the more favorable long-term interests of the group, especially when I'll be gone before any succeeding agreement ?

Make it good, because next time around without a believable plan nor a GROUP to stand with, I'll have flipped big time and trust me.......I'll have plenty of company.

Your move.

The R's will never get rid of Obamacare even if they had the perfect opportunity. Just like the Dems will never sign on to immigration reform (could have had 100% their way in 08-10). They all need their bogeyman to fight against.... but thats another topic entirely....

Not likely on the P vote...and again, with reverse "me too", we'd be tethered to others and in 5 years, what's that going to cost in premiums ?

$15-17,000 annual with perhaps a $5000 deductible ?

I hope you save a lot of that money from here on out, pal.

You're going to need it.

AAG's biggest labor albatross is health care now that pensions have been gutted. Trust me, in that respect, he'll dump us out like soiled laundry and why shouldn't he ?

It's not like we're going to do anything about it, eh ?

Saw a thing on TV news evaluating the next P bid. Basically came to the conclusion that Hillary will need only something like 1/4 of the electoral votes that will be in play. In other words, our next President will wear skirts, regardless of who the R's field unless she flops over before then.

A-E) Destroying one's credibility/standing for future negotiations is a far cry from "destroying one's future." Even that is debatable. But I'll let you guys that live your lives on this forum to hash that one out....

That's what I thought.

No plan whatsoever. :cool:

See you in 2020 my friend when I'll advocate giving Doug a blank piece of paper to fill in the blanks if it gets me a little more $$$ in 2020 vs. him stalling for 5 years.

The only variable is what he fills in the blanks to pay for it. :eek:

That will be the majority philosophy from all the old geezers in their late 50's and 60's who will be the majority (heck....that's a significant percentage of the yes crowd NOW !). Everyone needs to plan their foxhole position now and to all those who think anything will be different in 2020, well,....................pucker up, Buttercup.

W-T-F are you talking about??? I was pointing out the absurdity of you saying that some are in the process of destroying our future and you somehow want my point-by-point plan for 2020 as a retort???

By the way.... my "plan" is to vote NO on this proposal in case you didn't catch it already.