One positive is all the guys I have flown with recently are NO voters. I do hope there are more out there. Voting in a concessionary contract is ridiculous right now.

Well...don't just stand around *****ing about things on the internet like a pathetic loser. Be a man. When things weren't going the way I wanted around here, I went off and got class dates at Delta, JetBlue and an interview offer from United. Then, I turned them down at a time and place of my choosing...on my terms. You can bet...if things look bleak around here, I'll bail to FedEx..they're about to ramp up hiring. Man up! Don't get put in a rape van...whether you climb in or are forced in.

Do people really need to be told this? Pathetic...

^^^^^^^^^^^ what he said

No one is saying they want to leave, for various reasons like base locations, retirements and such we are going to stay, we just don't want to be dougis's *****

Aren't you gods gift to commercial aviation

No. I'm just not a pathetic whiner. I chose my own fate.

Don't you think though, that in 2015, with record profits, and the fact that you are still in an airline where you have a seniority number and would start again at the bottom at another airline, that it would behoove you to utilize the system that is in place to possibly reject a deal that is lacking several key work rules and other things?



Saying "go work somewhere else" was applicable back in the industrial revolution when people would fall into vats of oil and drown or get chopped up in some machine. We've evolved a bit since then, hence the whole concept of a union.

You're a highly trained professional. You don't have to go work somewhere else. You work for a good company. They're trying to call your bluff and they'll laugh all the way to the bank if you vote yes to something that doesn't "pass the sniff test." The last thing the CEO wants is to drag this out in front of the BOD. It's not going to take years if it's voted down. Wake up.

no, you have not chosen your fate yet. This vote determines your fate, for the next several years. You determine your company culture right here. You will either be empowered and unified, or manipulated and weak . I have my fingers crossed for a no vote. It means too much. Show them youre serious about a real contract offer. Vote no and you'll get the respect you deserve. Standing up to a bully might mean youll get punched in the face if youre 1 on 1. But you have 15,000.

Who is whining?

If I thought that was the path to best value, I would vote to reject this deal. Problem is...a bunch of morons created and voted in a contract through 2019 that sets our cost level in stone. The vote no crowd crowing now should have voted no to that contract. As it is, a no vote now is just a hope and a dream that management will give more. Hoping and dreaming isn't a strategy of successful people.

Wow !!!

You must be gods gift to the airline industry with all these carriers tripping each other to get you on the payroll. :rolleyes:

How did you end up in the middle of this mess at what may be the most financially and emotionally disappointing carrier of all the other players ?

You really must have screwed up as even Jet Blue can beat some of our rates and QWL provisions. I'd advise you to immediately phone FedEx as I'm sure their management will dispatch a GV to pick you up, but with your concessionary philosophy, I couldn't do that to their pilot group.