Cactus's last stand
04-13-2015, 10:43 AM
#101
Weekend workaholic
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 669
Originally Posted by Arado 234
Seriously? You are trying to argue with The Bird? Do some research on flightinfo. You are simply wasting your time.
04-13-2015, 10:47 AM
#102
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: Airbus CA
Posts: 910
Well as I recall they went head-to-head vs. USAir, drove them out of the west coast, drove them out of the intra-Florida market, drove them out of their BWI hub, basically spent the entire decade of the 90's capitalizing on USAir's utter inability to compete cost-wise...
Originally Posted by Thedude
Historically, SW did not go head to head with anybody.
They used to go into secondary and releaver airports.
They used to go into secondary and releaver airports.
04-13-2015, 11:44 AM
#103
Banned
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: A320 F/O
Posts: 442
Originally Posted by tailendcharlie
Well as I recall they went head-to-head vs. USAir, drove them out of the west coast, drove them out of the intra-Florida market, drove them out of their BWI hub, basically spent the entire decade of the 90's capitalizing on USAir's utter inability to compete cost-wise...
For a long time SWA beat the snot out of US Air. To be frank US Air couldn't compete and instead relied exclusively on their route network.
As of now, we're still getting the snot kicked out of us.
March traffic
AAL Group -0.6%
SWA +6.7%
JetBlue +9.2%!
Those are big numbers.
04-13-2015, 01:19 PM
#104
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2009
Position: B-757/767 Capt.
Posts: 219
Originally Posted by inline five
US Air abandoned BWI because they wanted to merge with United. That being said, would SWA have started a hub there had they not? No one really knows.
For a long time SWA beat the snot out of US Air. To be frank US Air couldn't compete and instead relied exclusively on their route network.
As of now, we're still getting the snot kicked out of us.
March traffic
AAL Group -0.6%
SWA +6.7%
JetBlue +9.2%!
Those are big numbers.
For a long time SWA beat the snot out of US Air. To be frank US Air couldn't compete and instead relied exclusively on their route network.
As of now, we're still getting the snot kicked out of us.
March traffic
AAL Group -0.6%
SWA +6.7%
JetBlue +9.2%!
Those are big numbers.
AA has kept capacity under control (actually decreased) resulting in an increased load factor to offset your doom and gloom. Not sure about Jet Blue and Southwest.
There are many examples of US fighting to protect turf. They did indeed walk away from BWI and intra Florida but no one ran them off.
Those that have been around a while may remember:
United starting a North South IAD hub.
Midway PHL hub.
American RDU hub.
Continental Lite GSO hub.
Northwest DCA hub.
None succeeded.
Along with SW current PHL operation being only a fraction of what they had planned and boasted about.
I'll stick to flying and leave running the airline to those that know how.
Too many crew room CEO's!
CG
Last edited by cubguy; 04-13-2015 at 01:37 PM.
04-14-2015, 05:38 AM
#105
Banned
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: A320 F/O
Posts: 442
Originally Posted by cubguy
Those "big numbers" are meaningless unless you figure in capacity.
AA has kept capacity under control (actually decreased) resulting in an increased load factor to offset your doom and gloom. Not sure about Jet Blue and Southwest.
There are many examples of US fighting to protect turf. They did indeed walk away from BWI and intra Florida but no one ran them off.
Those that have been around a while may remember:
United starting a North South IAD hub.
Midway PHL hub.
American RDU hub.
Continental Lite GSO hub.
Northwest DCA hub.
None succeeded.
Along with SW current PHL operation being only a fraction of what they had planned and boasted about.
I'll stick to flying and leave running the airline to those that know how.
Too many crew room CEO's!
CG
AA has kept capacity under control (actually decreased) resulting in an increased load factor to offset your doom and gloom. Not sure about Jet Blue and Southwest.
There are many examples of US fighting to protect turf. They did indeed walk away from BWI and intra Florida but no one ran them off.
Those that have been around a while may remember:
United starting a North South IAD hub.
Midway PHL hub.
American RDU hub.
Continental Lite GSO hub.
Northwest DCA hub.
None succeeded.
Along with SW current PHL operation being only a fraction of what they had planned and boasted about.
I'll stick to flying and leave running the airline to those that know how.
Too many crew room CEO's!
CG
For one, traffic has nothing to do with capacity in the short term.
Traffic is just the amount of people moved.
For example. When the Wight Agreement went away in October, SWA increased traffic 10% in DAL. AA saw a decrease of 2% in DFW.
Load factor and capacity are linked. In JetBlue and SWA's case, both increased capacity and both increased load factor.
In AA's case, traffic went down and so did load factor. -0.9%.
In other words, folks are leaving us for other carriers.
04-14-2015, 06:46 AM
#106
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2009
Position: B-757/767 Capt.
Posts: 219
Originally Posted by inline five
Actually I disagree.
For one, traffic has nothing to do with capacity in the short term.
Traffic is just the amount of people moved.
For example. When the Wight Agreement went away in October, SWA increased traffic 10% in DAL. AA saw a decrease of 2% in DFW.
Load factor and capacity are linked. In JetBlue and SWA's case, both increased capacity and both increased load factor.
In AA's case, traffic went down and so did load factor. -0.9%.
In other words, folks are leaving us for other carriers.
For one, traffic has nothing to do with capacity in the short term.
Traffic is just the amount of people moved.
For example. When the Wight Agreement went away in October, SWA increased traffic 10% in DAL. AA saw a decrease of 2% in DFW.
Load factor and capacity are linked. In JetBlue and SWA's case, both increased capacity and both increased load factor.
In AA's case, traffic went down and so did load factor. -0.9%.
In other words, folks are leaving us for other carriers.
Have fun worrying, think I'll go buy another boat.
CG
04-14-2015, 10:11 AM
#107
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 71
Originally Posted by cubguy
Yea, I guess you're right, and we made how much last year compared to Jet Blue and Southwest.
Have fun worrying, think I'll go buy another boat.
CG
Have fun worrying, think I'll go buy another boat.
CG
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