I THINK what you're asking is do we maintain our pre-merger relative senioirty and the answer to that is yes.

I go by what the attorneys tell me is a likely (but not guaranteed) outcome. I can tell you they believed the Nic. would be used for ordering lus pilots even before the 9th ruled.

I'm not sure what your beef is then. You were held back from starting at AA but you were given your original seniority when you finally came over from eagle. You're a fixed point on the AA list. You will fair no better or works than those that were hired off the street at AA at the same time.

You have to bifurcate the west proposal into 2 parts. Lus pilot order and then Lus/laa. Like I said, Lus pilot order by nicolau award was a very likely reality even before the 9th ruled for a myriad of reasons. As for Lus/laa each strategy for sure benefits the presenting group, the west strategy might be obvious but so is the naative strategy. Maybe the arbitrators will validate the laa position that they deserve a 50% bump because Lus pilots had zero career expectations?

Which is fine and that is already a product of the West proposal. How that translates into the most junior West pilot with a DOH in 2005 ending up with almost 4000 pilots junior to him among other disparities confuses me. Your dream team may be confident about the Nic and thus the arraingment of East/West, but when it comes to their methodology of what they think is "fair and equitable" in regard to LAA pilots is nothing but hopeful guesswork. If it wasn't, the arbitrators would just adopt the West proposal and close the books and I don't think that will be the outcome of that unknown.

In my OPINION, if the arbitrators do adopt the pure Nic (possible), then they will NOT adopt the West feathering methodology presently in their initial proposal. I think it's too lopsided in favor of the West without some form of other mitigation like fences.

I have no beef with that. I and many, many other LAA pilots DO have a beef with how the West committee has chosen to slot us into their Nic list, that's all.

If you read my other posts, I did just that. It's a two-part strategy of maximization. U pilots didn't have "zero career expectations" and no one said that in the LAA proposal that I read. To claim that is being overdramatic. It quantified that concept as the weighing of equities pre-merger.

Nic, Nic, Nic, Nic this, Nic that.......great, the Nic is in play. But it by no means MUST be a part of the final ISL and the 9th appeal even stated that. They seemed hesitant to overstep their bounds and they didn't. Again, personally, I think a lot of it will, more then before, but that's just my opinion. It could very well be included in pure form in the final ISL too, but in that case, I don't think the West's proposed list will BE the final ISL (which would mean the arbitrators rejected everything else in favor of that). In that case, I'd expect either a different integration methodolgy (most likely), fences or a combination of both.

I suggest you look at past arbitration awards not the proposed lists.

What arbitration awards are you referring to ?

I don't get why you don't understand the awa 2005 hire position. If you look at the Nicolau, that 2005 awa hire had 1600 furloughed pilots placed behind him in 2005. Now add almost 1000 hires since that should go behind him.