Exactly. I teach kids to surf once in a while in my spare time. But it sure as heck isn't because someone mandates it. It's because I enjoy it and my own kids surf as well. I'm not going to India to build houses just so it looks good on an airline app. Please....

Yep, I was CFC coordinator back in the day.

You don't like spicy curry? :D

Ah ha! Well done sir!

Soon as you get off probation you can upgrade. What, like $147 per hour second year ?

First year 190 CA pay is $141. Seems to indicate that you can upgrade in the first year. LOS yearly increase is only $1/hr plus the 3% annual bump.

Second year pay the 190 CA pay beats Grp II FO by $27/hr. So even being a line holder wouldn't make the Grp II FO pay more.

Year three the pay difference is $8/hr. At that point a line holder Grp II FO could earn more vs a 190 reserve Captain.

So if you're chasing max bucks upgrading to 190 CA ASAP, especially in the first year, is the money winner. Before you hit year 3 LOS you can bid off(assuming upgrade in the first year).

Volunteer work mandatory. That says it all.

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Can anybody imagine a career at a major where you sat F/O for 12 months then spent all the rest in the left seat?

This 16 year FO says no😛

Unless you live in PHL, LGA, or BOS, 190 captain isn't worth it for most. The little bus has much better trips and flexibility.

Or if you are one of those types that just NEEDS to be a captain.

Did any OTS new hires attend job fairs? If so, which ones and how many?

It used to be at year one or somewhere near that timeframe you could either go to left seat 190 reserve or hold a line on the small Bus, now at one year you might be able to hold 190 left seat reserve or maybe right seat small bus, but still reserve. So it's not like it was before, now the question is would you rather fly the small bus right seat and get some red eyes on your schedule, or do the left seat 190 and get a few 5 leg days here and there.

At 1 year now you l'll be junior and on short call reserve on both planes so the pay rate becomes more important.

What is still true is the 190 is only in PHL and the seats will destroy your back; whereas the small bus is nice and comfortable and is in DC and CLT too...

In early 2017 it will be one company. Be careful about triggering lock-ins that will prevent you from bidding different bases/equipment next year if you're not in your base of choice.

You'll be able to bid whatever your seniority will hold once SLI/FOS is complete. One year LOS should be on reserve, or maybe a junior line holder on the AB in MIA?

As long as there is a vacancy in your desired base and position.

And you're not limited to only bidding LUS bases.

Question... is it true off-the-street pilots bid before flow pilots in new hire class? If so does anyone know exactly how it works.. Thanks

Don't think that was the way it was done last Monday when the new class started. At least not from what I gathered after talking to somebody in the class. It was simply age.

Yes Age is correct and then it's age between the two bids LAA/LUS for bidding training slots.

Thanks guys! Someone mentioned off-the-street bid before flow, I was just curious if anyone has been through the process.

anyone know how many American plans to hire this year and next?

No idea but I know a ton of dudes who have recently got the video interview request. I'll try and write one of my buddies who just started training. They may have told him.

700-800 per year for the next several years and probably much more after that.

They will try and hire 750 this year. Going to try and run a class almost every two weeks.

Flow or not has nothing to do with seniority or picking equipment/base
Most psa/Piedmont flows are going to us air side for now. Envoy to only LAA
For picking Oldest guy in the room picks first. Then next oldest. It's that simple

Not totally true. We have a Envoy guy that wanted the LUS and was awarded it. They basically asked each newhire what side they wanted and said they'd try to accommodate. I do believe the Flows actually get first choice on what side they want and what's left is divided amongst the rest of the newhires.
Of course recalls get what they can hold.

What happens if say 200 furloughed pilots decide they want to come back by that May deadline. Does hiring come to a screeching halt to get them all in ASAP? Or do they slowly come back with off the street hires and flows over time?

The music stops for OTS hires and flow-throughs while they are brought back.

Or they just bring all the applicants into cowboy stadium and say the last 200 standing get job offers. Go!

I'll bring the popcorn.

You know that are just throwing darts at the wall?

I thought/guess the flows come regardless, based on their agreements (50%, 5, 3) and the recallees get the remainder??

And the SLI transcripts say they'll have 21 days after getting called. So the earliest they could be called in May 7th(?), which means the first class would be May 28th(?). So May is not going to have a flood of recallees. June will probably see the first mandatory recallees. Prior to that it's voluntary.

Id be surprised to see anywhere near 200. Honestly. Maybe a quarter of that. About three years ago the furloughs all had a chance to come back and collect the equity payout, which was worth maybe 80k. Many jumped at the chance to collect. Those who did not, and who've elected to wait until the very end are (in my opinion) very unlikely to suddenly decide that they have to come back to the fold.

I agree that they're over estimating the number of recalls.

In regards to the flow, the way I understand it, a flow spot is generated when an OTS hire is in class. Since recalls are pilots with a seniority number they don't activate that provision. I could be wrong, but didn't the flow stop for several months last year when there were a number of guys who came back?

Yes you are right. However if they stop the flows for a few months they have to make it up by the end of the year. I believe there's a set number each year that have to go.

Luckynow is right. I asked a guy that knew the answer. Returnees do not generate a flow spot.

May 16 will be the first returnees and they will fill all the training classes until whatever number of them return. So the guess is late July, August, or early September will be the return of OTS hiring.

I agree...

There are not a whole lot of jobs which are worth passing up on the money.

Maybe some folks were deployed in the military-but other than that, I can't imagine a whole bunch would just flush that kind of cash and come back anyhow.

Video Interviews
 

When was the last batch of video interviews? I have lost track.

Thanks!

I know two guys who did it within the past few days

The guys who had Climbed the seniority ladder EK did, but a lot changed there in the last 3 years. I wonder if you'll see many of them coming back in the end.

Great news! What were their numbers?