Not sure what you mean by numbers?

Sorry about that.

Total time..PIC...mil or civilian.

Ah. I'm stupid. Should have guessed that.

Three guys now. All fighter IPs. Around 2000-2500 TT. Probably 1500-2000 PIC. Heard there was an interview class for OTS guys in early Jan. 20 guys, all of which flew or are currently flying fighters.

No worries. Fighter pilots...I am seeing a trend that started a couple of years ago.

Julio, Check PM please.

Fighter or Attack!

Attack guys are the best anyway so they obviously get called first 😉

As far as the fighter time, does prowler time count as fighter time. May be a dumb question, but curious.

Interesting question, I was wondering as well. I bet CJ time does, and I am sure Growler dudes will say their time does as well. I woule think A6 time would, since attack pilots are lumped in.

I couldn't imagine them not counting prowler time as Ftr time.

What about SR-71 (420 hrs)

Sorry. Not superior enough.

True. How else do you explain this question at the bottom of the "pilot info" page on pilot credentials:

I think you get to interview them if you flew that

Funny. We hired a UAL-furloughed ex-Marine into my guard unit 8-9 years (flew Hornets). We sent him off to KC-135 school, where after a few weeks he decided he wants to come home because the training was ridiculous and it apparently didn't meet his standards. So we brought him home and got a waiver to initial qual him in house, which is something rarely approved. We barely got him through our program. The guy had issues with checklists, CRM and aircraft control. One of the scariest landings I've ever witnessed (from the jump seat) was his truly. He wound up leaving for some MPA staff job and actually worked a 20 yr AD retirement out of the deal. My point being; although this may have been an extreme case, not all fighter pilots have "The Right Stuff".

Since we've gone a bit off topic (myself included) and stir the pot even more...Hornets fly themselves and crash to land; you are correct not all pilots have the right stuff, I am sure all of us have thrown a bad pass or two or for the AF types missed brick one in the evil Talon (I actually put it in the under run trying to hit that damn brick).

Good movie!!

There are no ex-Marines, only former Marines. They are USMC for life, or so I am told.

As to the F/A-18 part of it....he has no excuse there. Having flown that jet myself, it is very easy to fly indeed (flying being the key word). However, like many single-seat military jets, managing the tactical workload...now that's where you earn your paycheck.

[emoji848] Well, it is Altus... Maybe he didn't like pick-up-taco or scooters.




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Yes. I'm sure that was it. I think we managed to keep that out of his waiver request, though.

I caveat my story with: Each MDS "community" has their own mission/aircraft specific skills/qualifications that supports being an excellent aviator. I'm not saying one makes a better pilot than the other. I just find it interesting AA is a little unique in that their app specifically asks if you've ever been a fighter pilot.

Maybe it's a disqualifier? Unless you have ANG/AFRES in conjunction?

I kid, I kid. Mostly.


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I would think membership in that club would grant you at least an interview. Fewer guys checked out on the Sled than have flown in space as astronauts. The total number of SR71 pilots is something like 150....less than 500 people have ever flown in one in any capacity.

I'm guessing they use it to identify low TT qualified guys.

All kidding aside ^^^^


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If not a fighter draft, this makes sense as it is a common trend among fighter guys.

As a fighter guy, what is your guys opinion on getting an interview with just an ATP written vice an ATP?

That's a guess. $.02? I've looked at 200+ resumes. Every single one was an ATP.

Niece got her ATP. Three day weekend course.

I can't remember, but isn't it 750 training slots that need to be filled, not necessarily "OTS hires"? I thought the other thread said between between recalls and flows the ACTUAL OTS might be as low as 250-ish?

True, yet airlineapps 9UAL/DAL) is able to cull that data without asking the question, as is FedEx and SW that ALSO use pilotcredentials.com

Flows are getting 50% of the class, capped at 30, for AE. PSA/PDT flows are 8(?). The rest go to OTS.

Returnees can come at any time and reduce the 'class' size which reduces the AE count ('smaller' class reduces 50% number).

Company's talking about 50/month and the SLI has guys guessing at 150 (+/-) returnees. So 50 - 25+8 flows = 17 OTS. If no returnees that would be about 70 OTS by mid May. Mid May to until mid August might be all returnees(150 ish). Mid August through the end of the year would be about another 70 OTS.

Fifty/month only totals 600 for the year. Company's talking about 750. AE flows would take 60 of the additional 150 slots. So the 140 OTS +90 means that OTS might be in the 240 range.

All numbers are just throwing darts, backwards, at a wall. While blindfolded...

However you slice it (no pun intended), those of us among the 12000 probably shouldn't sit around waiting for the phone to ring. Gonna be a long wait.

Yup. Must be in the right place at the right time. I never am.

Sometimes I wonder if old apps go to the virtual bottom of the pile, even if i update it every time I fly.

Just not enough data points lately to figure out who are getting the video interviews.

Are you military?

Formally. Big jets.

Re the process for deferrees contractual recall rights.
The "flows" will continue as prescribed by their contractual rights.


To voluntarily return, send an email to {AA...} stating you would like to return. You will be placed in the next available class your seniority can hold with a minimum of 30 days prior notice of the class date. Advantage – pick your class date (dependent on seniority) up to Letter T expiration date.

Involuntary Return as a result of Letter T expiring.

AA will begin contacting Letter T pilots by telephone in reverse seniority order beginning around early April 2016. ...will also send a FedEx letter to the address the company has on file for you. Please immediately update your address with both the Company and APA if needed. The letter and phone call are notification that you are being involuntarily returned and you will need to return to AA in the assigned class. You will be given a minimum of 30 days notice of the class date. NOTE: If you fail to show up for your assigned class, your deferral period is over. You will be removed from and no longer have rights to the legacy AA pilot seniority list.

Decline return as a Letter T pilot

If you opt to not accept an assigned class date or fail to show for your assigned class, your deferral period is over. You will be removed from and no longer have rights to the legacy AA pilot seniority list.

Summary:

The first class following the expiration of Letter T is May 17, 2016. Currently, AA is expecting about 40 available positions to be filled by pilots currently on deferred status in reverse seniority order. There are two classes/month scheduled for the remainder of the year. Because no one knowns how many of the 894 pilots currently on deferral will return, we cannot estimate how long the process will last or when any particular pilot may receive notification from the Company. To assist all of the 894 pilots in this process, we ask that when you are contacted by American Airlines you provide them with your decision as soon as possible. We will update the Letter T list following each class, which will give you an idea of where you stand on being contacted.

Again, the above process affects your right to remain on the Legacy AA Pilot Seniority List. If you choose not to return after you are notified or if you fail to show for your assigned class, you will no longer be on deferral and will be removed from the legacy AA pilot system seniority list with no further right to return.

Any update on recent OTS new hire credentials? I assume mostly military?

Most of our AA clients interviewing OTS are military, with a light sprinkling of civilian.

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Any idea if 4 years from now, when AAG has almost 1,000 retirements if OTS regional CA's will have a releastic chance? Just wondering what people think the landscape will be 2020 and beyond at American.

If any of us knew the future we'd play powerball and not need to work for a living.

I'd guess military separations would stay around 1000-1200.
Hiring is probably around 4000 this year amongst the major airlines.

Hiring numbers should be similar, or higher, if the industry stays healthy.

So as a percentage I'd guess the military percentage of new hires will decrease somewhat.