I think you'll see exactly what UAL did with their pilot group recently. An offer by mgmt in 2018 of some improvements (monetary mainly) for another short extension to the contract. Maybe this is the direction the pilot negotiations and contracts will take in the next 5-10 years across the legacies?

One thing for certain, I hope there is a replacement for DP by the time we roll around for negotiations.

If someone new came in who hasn't gotten his snout into the $$$ trough so deep, then we'd simply start the process over with that unconsummated requirement, which certainly wouldn't help us. Personally, I don't think it matters at this point as we have few things left to take and very little we have leverage to get. In the end, we'll have to take what's offered hat-in-hand (which will cause extreme heartburn) or live with what we have. The cyclical realities may result in an industry downturn just as the big 3 pilots' go into the next round at the end of the decade giving management all the excuse it needs to short-change us again and that's why they are maximizing gains for themselves now.

Considering the reality of this "new" pilot group, a large segment of which is destined for continued intractable warfare (did you read the thread on C & R from the Philly VP ? :cool:) and our leverage, I see little hope but riding it out on the good ship Mediocrity.

I was in the school house a few weeks ago and saw these KDA (Kick Delta's Ass) stickers floating around. I'm very thankful we no longer have kitbags on which to affix these, because some would. I wish that this myopic obsession with what DAL is doing would cause them to mimic their profit sharing. The payout on that last earnings report woulda been pretty noice.

Remind me please, what was the vote breakdown for the JCBA?? (in favor/oppose)

there it is.....just the facts!

I'm assuming you're asking this because you feel like we should just live with the contract and not strive for improvement. If our competitors get a better deal than we have, then the world we operate in has changed. If the economy takes a terrible downturn we will (and have) been asked to give back our gains. If the economy grows, and the airline does better than expected, why shouldn't we ask for more? This is not a one way street.

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STL 91.91%
PHX 91.17%
ORD 82.75%
SFO 81.82%
BOS 74.77%
LAX 73.62%
DFW 66.32%
TOTAL 65.68%
CLT 64.97%
DCA 64.54%
LGA 54.71%
PHL 51.33%
MIA 45.38%


So no whining from the good little company men in Phoenix. You don't get to cry and whine when you vote yes to everything.

That's 100% correct. Exactly why all things being equal if I was looking for a job I'd go to Delta or United before AA.

I'd never cast a vote to give the company a thing.

Nice job trying to immatating a nAAtive. You and the rest of your eastie pie holes know da@n well why PHX passed that high... Adios ucrapa!