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UALinIAH 02-14-2016 11:38 AM
Originally Posted by LuckyNow (Post 2068412)
Understood, and fully endorsed. I assumed that the profit sharing was based on your base salary and hours flown and not necessarily a hard percentage of whatever you pulled down with extra time and soft pay you took advantage of. Bravo if there are guys getting significantly more than the quoted number. I'm always all for pilots getting paid more.
Nope it's all inclusive. I think it would start opening too many can of worms if we went by "hours flown". What about reserves flying once a month? What if you have a transition course and were away from the line for 6 weeks with no "hours flown". Easiest way was just say the PS pool this year is X based on the contract and the company SEC filings. Total pilot compensation was Y. Divide them out and say "Every pilot gets Z% of the pay". This year for UAL is was just over 13%. DAL did significantly better financially and I think I read they got around 21%?

Hueypilot 02-14-2016 12:54 PM
Originally Posted by EskimoJoe (Post 2068573)
Have 1/3rd of your career robbed from you and see how you feel. Believe me, no West pilot gives a flying f$&@ how anyone else feels about them either.
Sure, but why purposefully be a d!ck to guys that you KNOW have no skin in that fight, just because they work with those you don't like? To me, that speaks volumes about someone's character.

FWIW, I've had many very good interactions with West guys, and some very bad ones. Clearly, some of them are just arseholes, regardless of what happened to their careers.

DCA A321 FO 02-14-2016 01:29 PM
Originally Posted by EskimoJoe (Post 2068573)
Have 1/3rd of your career robbed from you and see how you feel. Believe me, no West pilot gives a flying f$&@ how anyone else feels about them either.
To want to harm someone who has done nothing to you is pure ignorance.

Robbed :rolleyes:

Justdoinmyjob 02-14-2016 04:58 PM
Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 2068591)
Nope it's all inclusive. I think it would start opening too many can of worms if we went by "hours flown". What about reserves flying once a month? What if you have a transition course and were away from the line for 6 weeks with no "hours flown". Easiest way was just say the PS pool this year is X based on the contract and the company SEC filings. Total pilot compensation was Y. Divide them out and say "Every pilot gets Z% of the pay". This year for UAL is was just over 13%. DAL did significantly better financially and I think I read they got around 21%?
Yes, it was 21%. Not all inclusive. It does not include things like prior PS, monthly goal awards, money from grievances, company match, per diem, stuff like that.

DCA A321 FO 02-14-2016 05:46 PM
Originally Posted by EskimoJoe (Post 2068573)
Have 1/3rd of your career robbed from you and see how you feel. Believe me, no West pilot gives a flying f$&@ how anyone else feels about them either.
If you couldn't generate a good life, especially in PHX, on what you were paid that's your own fault. You want to blame someone, look in the mirror. You will be miserable no matter what.

Waldorf 02-14-2016 06:34 PM
You forget FedEx.

80ktsClamp 02-14-2016 08:21 PM
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 2068754)
Yes, it was 21%. Not all inclusive. It does not include things like prior PS, monthly goal awards, money from grievances, company match, per diem, stuff like that.
To make this simpler- it was 21% of your flight pay only for the year. This includes premium pay, and some guys ended up above 400,000.

I averaged about 90ish hours a month of credit at 777 FO pay.

Thedude 02-14-2016 11:04 PM
Originally Posted by EskimoJoe (Post 2068573)
Have 1/3rd of your career robbed from you and see how you feel. Believe me, no West pilot gives a flying f$&@ how anyone else feels about them either.
Faining hurt doesn't help your cause.
Face it, Am West was a second to third tier carrier. Back in 2004-2005 they called me and sent me a letter asking me to update my application because I hadn't updated since 1999-2000. You don't see any of the legacy carrier doing that do you.
You (idiots) have the golden ticket and now are acting like spoiled brats.

UALinIAH 02-14-2016 11:31 PM
Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 2068839)
To make this simpler- it was 21% of your flight pay only for the year. This includes premium pay, and some guys ended up above 400,000.

I averaged about 90ish hours a month of credit at 777 FO pay.
So same as ours. I meant all inclusive as in all our flight pay as well.

Saabs 02-15-2016 04:58 AM
Originally Posted by Thedude (Post 2068858)
Faining hurt doesn't help your cause.
Face it, Am West was a second to third tier carrier. Back in 2004-2005 they called me and sent me a letter asking me to update my application because I hadn't updated since 1999-2000. You don't see any of the legacy carrier doing that do you.
You (idiots) have the golden ticket and now are acting like spoiled brats.
So? Who cares. America west is now AA, and besides America west hasn't been around in over ten years.


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