Arado 234

Remember: Haters gonna hate.

I was called a whiner, because I reported someone who called others a c***.

I hope this board is not going to deteriorate like flightinfo.

Marlin

according to one of our union types, the 6/07 class got 13 involuntary returnees, out of 108 called... So 12% return rate for this class.
Hope this helps,
Joe

babs

Appreciate the info!

g4g5

Hypothetical if someone was hired at Jet Blue or Southwest after being furloughed at, their prospects of advancement are minimal. Their is no real movement on those lists. A senior FO or junior captain will likely see a vast improvement in long term career advancement at AA Vs their current position.

But why rush back?

Same for a UPS or FedEx guy, if spending the next 15-20 year flying all night is not your thing, here is your out.

LOS will come back as part of something. Remember that it effects 890 guys or 10% of the current AA list, even if 1/2 return that's still 5% enough to get their voice heard but not enough to be big number for the company.

LOS at every major carrier has always come back, if I remember correctly it was not initially offered to the guys coming back in the 90's but the company gave it back to them after the Reno merger.

g4g5

Big numbers, I did the math. Ironically that $72K difference is almost exactly the difference between 12 year JetBlue airbus captain $202 an hour Vs 2nd year AA 737 FO $116 but in most cases if you stayed out for year since the offer you are ahead of the game in money and in quality of life.

Sliceback

That's the value up to 12th year pay. The yearly pay increase is more like $6000(?). A newhire going to 3rd year pay would get the biggest increase and a 10th guy would get the smallest.

eaglefly

The 5/7 Letter T stats (the day they theoretically started critical notifications) indicated that as of that date out of 911 Letter T pilots, 76 had cancelled their deferral status and 4 had resigned leaving 831 to go. If the above is accurate and your info is correct, that leaves 723 pilots left on the list. Again, I think the rate of acceptance will not be constant and more of a bell curve with the highest percentage of acceptances in the middle to more senior of the pack, tapering to less acceptances in the most junior point and slightly less, most senior. That's just my SWAG though.

Iowa Farm Boy

IMO it'll have more to do with where they are now, and the future it provides, vs. where they were on the seniority list.

Sliceback

It's the future of their current situation vs the future of returning.

One lady stated, while the future was perhaps more promising at AA, as a mom with young kids her current situation was better.

eaglefly

Agreed to some extent, but that equation is impacted BY where they are (or will be after SLI) on the seniority list. It will be a crap shoot to determine if AA's retirement schedule and theoretical stability (considering its debt) are a better gamble then whatever they are doing now, advancement/stability wise. That concept is probably the major reason most passed up the claim $ and the LOS bump. Just like the investors in the stock market, predictability and stability rule.

Even with that, whatever choice they make is still a gamble as no one can predict the future of their present income source or their own personal situations.