Frip

Let me rephrase that

Somewhere near where they were on the legacy AA list, as in, between the same people they were always between?

Thanks, but I'm still waiting for the arbs' version.

Lost 12 years, and approximately 40 percentile points last time around

I have a pretty good idea how this works, and no desire to see what my fellow pilots think I deserve

DCA A321 FO

In the UAL/CAL merger the arbs tossed the nutso proposal, lets hope that holds true here.

Sliceback

Agreed about tossng the nutso proposal.







Which one is it?

eaglefly

For any given pilot, it's the ones that don't maximize their interests and beliefs of what they think is proper and fair.

As for the UAL/CAL arbitrators, here is a summary of their conclusions about that specific integration:

"Our summary conclusions paraphrase and echo caveats expressed by every ALPA merger policy arbitration panel that precedes us. We inquired as to where the respective groups have been and we made reasoned judgments as to where they were going. We attempted to recognize reasonable expectations of both premerger groups, but rejected proposals that could not be reconciled with governing merger policy or resulted in untenable windfalls. As in all such seniority integration exercises, the fairness and equity assessment is focused necessarily on the respective groups, not on each or any individual pilot. Any such distortions are minimized to the extent possible in our awarded ISL. Regrettably, but inevitably, there will be perceived disparities and mismatches by individuals on both sides under a merged list. George Nicolau's four basic verities of ISL arbitration are as apt and vital today as they were nearly a quarter of a century ago: each case turns on its own facts; the objective is to make the integration fair and equitable; the proposals advanced by those in contest rarely meet that standard; and the end result, no matter how crafted, never commands universal acceptance."

Hueypilot

Considering both AA and US were both still viable airlines (US was even making money), and that both airlines benefitted from the merger to compete with the larger merged airlines (UA, DL, SW), I'm willing to bet we'll see a list that attempts to keep pilots close to their original seniority, adjusted a bit up or down for longevity and what equipment was brought to the table. Considering AA had more wide bodies, and US pilots generally have more longevity, it could very well be a wash. There will more than likely be "special cases", such as the TWA guys and certain Eagle flows, but I'd be willing to bet that we won't see a list that looks like the AA, West or East lists. Maybe some elements of each, but I think the final list will be very different from any of the three "proposed" lists.

And that's all fine and well with me. Rip the bandaid off...let's move on.

QuagmireGiggity

Was that really necessary?

Arado 234

Haters gonna hate.

jcountry

I hope this is the case.

I am sick to death of all the bickering and butthurt from all sides.

No one is ever 100% happy with these things. Let's get it over and move on!

Al Czervik

Gonna need a meme for this post.

Spoiler

same posters appear time and time again concluding "it's tiresome," "let's move on," etc.
maybe they should move on.