Reserve
08-16-2016, 09:34 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by Upsddown
Noticing a trend on the reserve debate. New hires that have no history with the system say they are having very little problem on the LAA side. On the LUS side there are many complaints.
To be honest though, I think some of it is what you're used to. Especially for a military new hire. We just don't know any different since we have nothing to compare to. There are a lot of military new hires on the LAA side, and to them it is what it is.
08-16-2016, 10:04 AM
#52
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Joined APC: Jan 2015
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"Noticing a trend on the reserve debate. New hires that have no history with the system say they are having very little problem on the LAA side."
Not nearly a new hire, and civilian background, only two other airlines, and really not "having a problem" with the current LAA reserve system, except that some months I can not hold the days off I need on reserve with the way the reserve lines are built. This minth a Mon-Wed smack in the middle of the month... And only one selection had those days off.
PBS can't come quick enough, for me.
Meanwhile, The Biggest issue with reserve is it's complexity. For one thing, It is near to impossible to actually tell who is really next to go for what, or if trips are awarded or assigned (them there is two different things, you see...) correctly. There is little transparency as to other pilots' legalities and preferences - though APA has made some helpful improvements to the display - and there are too many off-the-books procedures such as the method of handling short call out trips until the "new" Section 15 is implemented.
The schedulers are pleasant enough, in my experience. They make some mistakes, some of them might not know some things, and I suppose some "push the envelope" or just outright trample the contract hoping they get a compliant butt in the seat. I haven't seen that.
Take a little time to learn it, and then expend whatever effort tracking all of the moving pieces generates a worthwhile return, like most anything.
Not nearly a new hire, and civilian background, only two other airlines, and really not "having a problem" with the current LAA reserve system, except that some months I can not hold the days off I need on reserve with the way the reserve lines are built. This minth a Mon-Wed smack in the middle of the month... And only one selection had those days off.
PBS can't come quick enough, for me.
Meanwhile, The Biggest issue with reserve is it's complexity. For one thing, It is near to impossible to actually tell who is really next to go for what, or if trips are awarded or assigned (them there is two different things, you see...) correctly. There is little transparency as to other pilots' legalities and preferences - though APA has made some helpful improvements to the display - and there are too many off-the-books procedures such as the method of handling short call out trips until the "new" Section 15 is implemented.
The schedulers are pleasant enough, in my experience. They make some mistakes, some of them might not know some things, and I suppose some "push the envelope" or just outright trample the contract hoping they get a compliant butt in the seat. I haven't seen that.
Take a little time to learn it, and then expend whatever effort tracking all of the moving pieces generates a worthwhile return, like most anything.
08-16-2016, 12:22 PM
#53
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Reverse Cowgirl
Posts: 546
Reserve in base can be great. It varies wildly from base/equipment.
New hire hours over the last year with no vacations:
737 FO MIA and New York.
63
33
48
64
38
42
47
49
54
44
If you're coming from a regional the hours are not apples to apples.
Working a 65 hour month at my regional was a real beating. Not as bad when you have such long legs.
I've been a long call commuter most of that so I tend to proffer for trips where as a short call person probably tries to stay home. So they fly less in general. This summer they are using everyone a lot.
Most months I have several days of not being used. Long call I am always able to commute in day one. I probably don't get used on my last day 70-80% percent of the time and you are auto released at 10:00AM if they don't use you on your last day.
You will have some control with that if you proffer for trips that end late the day before your last day. If done right they can't use you on your last day.
At my regional they tacked on more flying after you were already on a trip. That's very rare here. Sometimes they ask you if you want another turn or a trip. That always throws me for a loop. Hey do you want to work? Um no.. lol
Some may want to work to get their time for the month up which can mean you stand a chance of not being used the next week/days. Won't get into that but there are ways to work the system.
It's a world of difference and like I said .. if you live in base reserve is actually a tolerable life. Living in base I could stay reserve for years and be happy. Problem is I'm commuting so I end up sitting in a crash pad for days.
New hire hours over the last year with no vacations:
737 FO MIA and New York.
63
33
48
64
38
42
47
49
54
44
If you're coming from a regional the hours are not apples to apples.
Working a 65 hour month at my regional was a real beating. Not as bad when you have such long legs.
I've been a long call commuter most of that so I tend to proffer for trips where as a short call person probably tries to stay home. So they fly less in general. This summer they are using everyone a lot.
Most months I have several days of not being used. Long call I am always able to commute in day one. I probably don't get used on my last day 70-80% percent of the time and you are auto released at 10:00AM if they don't use you on your last day.
You will have some control with that if you proffer for trips that end late the day before your last day. If done right they can't use you on your last day.
At my regional they tacked on more flying after you were already on a trip. That's very rare here. Sometimes they ask you if you want another turn or a trip. That always throws me for a loop. Hey do you want to work? Um no.. lol
Some may want to work to get their time for the month up which can mean you stand a chance of not being used the next week/days. Won't get into that but there are ways to work the system.
It's a world of difference and like I said .. if you live in base reserve is actually a tolerable life. Living in base I could stay reserve for years and be happy. Problem is I'm commuting so I end up sitting in a crash pad for days.
08-16-2016, 12:26 PM
#54
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Joined APC: Nov 2013
Posts: 1,766
Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity
Reserve in base can be great. It varies wildly from base/equipment.
New hire hours over the last year with no vacations:
737 FO MIA and New York.
63
33
48
64
38
42
47
49
54
44
I've been a long call commuter most of that so I tend to proffer for trips where as a short call person probably tries to stay home. So they fly less in general. This summer they are using everyone a lot.
Most months I have several days of not being used. Long call I am always able to commute in day one. I probably don't get used on my last day 70-80% percent of the time and you are auto released at 10:00AM if they don't use you on your last day.
You will have some control with that if you proffer for trips that end late the day before your last day. If done right they can't use you on your last day.
At my regional they tacked on more flying after you were already on a trip. That's very rare here. Sometimes they ask you if you want another turn or a trip. That always throws me for a loop. Hey do you want to work? Um no.. lol
Some may want to work to get their time for the month up which can mean you stand a chance of not being used the next week/days. Won't get into that but there are ways to work the system.
It's a world of difference and like I said .. if you live in base reserve is actually a tolerable life. Living in base I could stay reserve for years and be happy. Problem is I'm commuting so I end up sitting in a crash pad for days.
New hire hours over the last year with no vacations:
737 FO MIA and New York.
63
33
48
64
38
42
47
49
54
44
I've been a long call commuter most of that so I tend to proffer for trips where as a short call person probably tries to stay home. So they fly less in general. This summer they are using everyone a lot.
Most months I have several days of not being used. Long call I am always able to commute in day one. I probably don't get used on my last day 70-80% percent of the time and you are auto released at 10:00AM if they don't use you on your last day.
You will have some control with that if you proffer for trips that end late the day before your last day. If done right they can't use you on your last day.
At my regional they tacked on more flying after you were already on a trip. That's very rare here. Sometimes they ask you if you want another turn or a trip. That always throws me for a loop. Hey do you want to work? Um no.. lol
Some may want to work to get their time for the month up which can mean you stand a chance of not being used the next week/days. Won't get into that but there are ways to work the system.
It's a world of difference and like I said .. if you live in base reserve is actually a tolerable life. Living in base I could stay reserve for years and be happy. Problem is I'm commuting so I end up sitting in a crash pad for days.
08-18-2016, 07:13 AM
#55
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Just a pilot
Posts: 749
Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity
Reserve in base can be great. It varies wildly from base/equipment.
New hire hours over the last year with no vacations:
737 FO MIA and New York.
63
33
48
64
38
42
47
49
54
44
If you're coming from a regional the hours are not apples to apples.
Working a 65 hour month at my regional was a real beating. Not as bad when you have such long legs.
I've been a long call commuter most of that so I tend to proffer for trips where as a short call person probably tries to stay home. So they fly less in general. This summer they are using everyone a lot.
Most months I have several days of not being used. Long call I am always able to commute in day one. I probably don't get used on my last day 70-80% percent of the time and you are auto released at 10:00AM if they don't use you on your last day.
You will have some control with that if you proffer for trips that end late the day before your last day. If done right they can't use you on your last day.
At my regional they tacked on more flying after you were already on a trip. That's very rare here. Sometimes they ask you if you want another turn or a trip. That always throws me for a loop. Hey do you want to work? Um no.. lol
Some may want to work to get their time for the month up which can mean you stand a chance of not being used the next week/days. Won't get into that but there are ways to work the system.
It's a world of difference and like I said .. if you live in base reserve is actually a tolerable life. Living in base I could stay reserve for years and be happy. Problem is I'm commuting so I end up sitting in a crash pad for days.
New hire hours over the last year with no vacations:
737 FO MIA and New York.
63
33
48
64
38
42
47
49
54
44
If you're coming from a regional the hours are not apples to apples.
Working a 65 hour month at my regional was a real beating. Not as bad when you have such long legs.
I've been a long call commuter most of that so I tend to proffer for trips where as a short call person probably tries to stay home. So they fly less in general. This summer they are using everyone a lot.
Most months I have several days of not being used. Long call I am always able to commute in day one. I probably don't get used on my last day 70-80% percent of the time and you are auto released at 10:00AM if they don't use you on your last day.
You will have some control with that if you proffer for trips that end late the day before your last day. If done right they can't use you on your last day.
At my regional they tacked on more flying after you were already on a trip. That's very rare here. Sometimes they ask you if you want another turn or a trip. That always throws me for a loop. Hey do you want to work? Um no.. lol
Some may want to work to get their time for the month up which can mean you stand a chance of not being used the next week/days. Won't get into that but there are ways to work the system.
It's a world of difference and like I said .. if you live in base reserve is actually a tolerable life. Living in base I could stay reserve for years and be happy. Problem is I'm commuting so I end up sitting in a crash pad for days.
08-18-2016, 08:23 AM
#57
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Joined APC: Dec 2010
Position: Reverse Cowgirl
Posts: 546
Originally Posted by tm602
I would "proffer" that you spell "prefer" correctly! They should replace the Hogan BS with a literacy test. Sorry, couldn't resist...all in good humor.
I'm missing your point. Are you saying I should have used the word prefer instead of proffer?
08-18-2016, 09:23 AM
#58
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Joined APC: May 2010
Position: 787 FO
Posts: 253
Originally Posted by QuagmireGiggity
I guess I'm an English idiot.
I'm missing your point. Are you saying I should have used the word prefer instead of proffer?
I'm missing your point. Are you saying I should have used the word prefer instead of proffer?
08-19-2016, 08:32 AM
#60
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Joined APC: Apr 2008
Posts: 255
Originally Posted by tm602
I would "proffer" that you spell "prefer" correctly! They should replace the Hogan BS with a literacy test. Sorry, couldn't resist...all in good humor.
I don't know why, its an airline thing, just go with it.
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