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Old 02-26-2007, 08:52 AM   #1  
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Default Sitting Reserve at NJA

Can a new hire at NJA give us the skinny on sitting reserve when you do not live at your domicile? Is it the same at the airlines/cargo where you show the day prior and sit in a crash pad till called, and if not called you go home in 7 days? Do reserve guys usually get called to fly?...a little info on the life of a reserve NJA F/O...Thanks.
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Boilermaker 03-08-2006 10:38

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NJA Reserve schedule

Is there a simple explanation of how your reserve schedule works?? I ran into a guy the other day and he loved it. I am thinking of applying but thought I'd try to get as much info as possible before hand. (And yes, I did try a search but didn't uncover much). Thanks to all!

be-400xpdriver 03-08-2006 10:48

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The can work you 18 days a month. You have to call in every night by 7pm to see if tomorrow is a work day. Only time you dont have to call in is required days off, example the four days you are off after 7 days on. They have been projecting when they will use you, on our crewops website, and pretty much sticking to it. But then can change any time they want. You get two two day stretches off a month or one 4 day stretch that you pick. They can limit it for certian agreed apon days(holidays) and if to many people ask for the same day.

hopalong 03-08-2006 11:49

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When you call in the night before, do you usually do day trips or are you gone for a few days at a time?

old*art 03-08-2006 12:08

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You are gone .. not sure how long but can be 7 days.

psysicx 03-08-2006 13:59

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Can you change your days off each month?

Twotter76 03-08-2006 14:15

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Yes you can submit a new H day (hard day off) request each month. Ive been on the RSV since I got here and I like it so far. But they have also been keeping me on 7 days trips which I prefer.

AirBear8 03-08-2006 14:17

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Yes, you bid your "hard" days off for each month. Pairs of 2 divided by at least 7 days back on or a single group of 4 days off. Some have been taking the last 4 days and the first 4 days of a month to give 8 days in a row off. There's still some question if the contract allows that or not but some have gotten away with it. All my trips have been 7 days long followed by 4 mandatory days off. I let a couple of days go by then insert hard days off so I've been able to basically have a 7 on 7 off schedule on reserve. But you can't count on them always doing 7 day trips, if they stop that I'll work more days. They've only changed my posted schedule once when they bumped a 7 day trip by one day.

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DO-82 driver 03-08-2006 14:17

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Because they realize that 7 day trips are more efficient for them.....RTS said as much. EJM has been on it and NJI is on it.

I really believe you'll see more start dates like we had a bunch of years ago.

psysicx 03-08-2006 17:39

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Will you be working 18 days each month?

JetProp 03-08-2006 18:17

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It's a love/hate thing..some love it, I can't stand it and can't wait to get 7/7.

be-400xpdriver 03-08-2006 19:19

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When you call in the night before, do you usually do day trips or are you gone for a few days at a time?
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Thats funny. I fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard.

AirBear8 03-08-2006 19:28

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Sometimes you will. It's not unusual for them to have nothing for you on day 1 of a tour and you just sit at home/hotel ready to leave with 30 minutes notice. They normally won't have you do this more than 9 hours because they have to pay you overtime. Probably half the time all I do on the last day of a tour is airline home. Again, if you bid your "H" days the right way and they insist on having you fly 7 day tours you can work less than 18 days a month.

AirBear

Archie Bunker 03-08-2006 19:39

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Thats funny. I fell out of my chair I was laughing so hard.
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What's so funny about that? He's probably a Pt 121 airline guy used to standing airline type reserve, where you can be called out for a 2 leg out and back, or given a 4 day trip. Basically anything goes on airline reserve if you have the available days.

If NJA sends you out for a week, or covers your entire reserve period with a trip, then that's just one less night you have to spend in a hotel or crashpad on your coin. Works for me.

V1 Rotate 03-09-2006 10:16

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How long does reserve last typically? How does per diem work while on Reserve?

AirBear8 03-11-2006 00:32

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How long does reserve last typically? How does per diem work while on Reserve?
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You're thinking of reserve in Part 121 airline terms. It's usually not like that here at NJ. All reserve means is you may fly up to 3 more days per month than the 7 on 7 off pilots will. Another difference is you have to call in by 7pm the night before a non-mandatory day off to see if they need you. In actual practice your schedule is posted on the company website and they generally abide by it. You have very few non-mandatory days off. 7 day trips are the norm but some reserves are getting shorter trips. The only time you're sitting around "on call" is if they don't have anything for you to do then they may let you sit at home or at the hotel if already on a trip. In those cases you have 30 minutes to depart the house/hotel if called out. They normally won't keep you on call for more than 12 hours because of having to pay overtime past that point. Per Diem is paid at all times except when you're at home on call. Once you leave your domicile the per diem clock runs until you return to domicile at the end of the trip. New Hires are on reserve until training is complete and you're ready for IOE. At that point you can bid a 7-7 line since most of the fleet already has more than the minimum 10% of pilots on reserve.

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Bronco Buster 09-21-2006 21:19

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Reserve at NetJets

At this point in time, how long are new hires having to sit reserve. Are there enough folks bidding reserve, so that a new hire could hope to get off reserve and on a 7x7 schedule in less than 6 months. I am particularly interested in the situation at CMH and TEB. Thanks in advance.

Archie Bunker 09-21-2006 21:26

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I got the 7/7 schedule on my first possible bid (I was hired in May). Shouldn't be a problem.

paulsalem 09-21-2006 22:45

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I think reserve ends up going senior b/c of the extra pay.

notaNJApilot 09-21-2006 22:56

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7/7 is the default schedule. the only way a new hire would get reserve is if he bid it and was senior enough to hold it or was involuntarily assigned due to the minimum requirement not being met by more senior pilots in the seat/fleet. i think the ultra and or encore had some involuntarily assigned guys last time. domicile has nothing to do with which schedule you get.

notaNJApilot 09-21-2006 22:57

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also, a new hire is reserve until he is released to IOE (if that's what you meant?). so if you get awarded a 7/7 line, it's there waiting for your once you are released to IOE. that amount of time varies by fleet.

Pervis 09-22-2006 00:14

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Let's put a major misconception to rest. Reserve at NJA is not reserve at the airlines. All it means is you may work up to 18 days per month and don't know what the next month holds for schedule, except the 4 guaranteed days off that you can set. CRC tells you what days you're on for the month. Works great for me, and I am very senior. All my kids are grown and gone, and I don't have a clue whta't happening next week much less next year. Most of those I know on reserve are also very senior-at least in my fleet. Ways exist to make the most of it.

wanttofly 09-22-2006 00:41

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Actually when they split the Encore/Ultra fleet EVERY single fo bid the reserve, they had to force people onto the 7n7. I think with the exception of one fleet (can't remember which one or if PIC or SIC) that the only fleets that are forcing people onto the reserve is the dying fleets like the 7 which are not open to new hires anyway.

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Let's put a major misconception to rest. Reserve at NJA is not reserve at the airlines. All it means is you may work up to 18 days per month and don't know what the next month holds for schedule, except the 4 guaranteed days off that you can set. CRC tells you what days you're on for the month. Works great for me, and I am very senior. All my kids are grown and gone, and I don't have a clue whta't happening next week much less next year. Most of those I know on reserve are also very senior-at least in my fleet. Ways exist to make the most of it.
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Gosh your not kidding. I am in the top 10% for my plane and work on avg 15 days a month. I have had two 28 day vacations which is possible on the RSV with placement of "H" days. Since 2006 began, I have only worked ONE 18 day month. Not bad for 16K more a year.

Nixon 09-22-2006 07:40

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I have had two 28 day vacations which is possible on the RSV with placement of "H" days
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Could you explain how to get 28 day vacations by clever use of "H" days?

JustInfo 09-22-2006 18:44

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Mach .92, shhhhhhhhh. Don't let out all the reserve secrets! LOL

AirBear8 09-22-2006 20:05

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Could you explain how to get 28 day vacations by clever use of "H" days?
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You're taking a chance doing this unless you're going to be near your base but here's how it can be done:

You get 15 days vacation twice a year on reserve. You also get 4 Hard Days off. So that's 19 days with no risk. It's very rare to be sent out for less than a 5 day tour. It happens, but not often. It's usually not cost efficient because of the airline tickets at both ends. So you can bid a pair of H days 3 to 4 days prior to vacation starting and again 3 to 4 days after vacation. Now if you are way out of town and they do decide to do a short tour you have to scramble. Using sick leave at that point would look very funny and might result in a "Bridgeway One" arrival.

AirBear

JustInfo 09-22-2006 22:01

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It actually works best if your vacation overlaps two months (last week of one month, first week of next) then you have 4 H days to play with on each end of the vacation if you are so inclined.

Go Fly 09-23-2006 10:34

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Actually when they split the Encore/Ultra fleet EVERY single fo bid the reserve, they had to force people onto the 7n7. I think with the exception of one fleet (can't remember which one or if PIC or SIC) that the only fleets that are forcing people onto the reserve is the dying fleets like the 7 which are not open to new hires anyway.
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Not sure what you're talking about there wanttofly. Maybe the Encore? I know lots more Ultra SICs that bid 7n7 than reserve, me included.

AirBear8 09-23-2006 10:56

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Not sure what you're talking about there wanttofly. Maybe the Encore? I know lots more Ultra SICs that bid 7n7 than reserve, me included.
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Yes, it was the Encore. All the SIC's who changed from Ultra to Encore bid reserve. Only the senior 40% got it, the rest were junior assigned 7-7 lines.

AirBear

flywest 09-23-2006 18:51

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You're taking a chance doing this unless you're going to be near your base but here's how it can be done:
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Word of warning to those who are looking into this possibility:

They can and WILL use you for short tours. I am not on the reserve, so can not speak for them, but I have been airlined out and back for a 2 DAY TOUR (7 days reduced to 2 due to sick time). I have also been sitting at home on the end of a 7 day tour and been called out on DAY 7 to do an out and back.

Proceed with caution!

skyward80 09-25-2006 11:37

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From what I gather in this thread as well as a few others... pretty much everybody is on a 7x7 schedule (yes, there are exceptions as mentioned above). As a person gets more senior, reserve is actually the way to go. It could mean less days at work for the month (although that's not guaranteed) and more money. Is that a correct statement?

Anybody have any clue as to how this might work at NetJets International? Is it all the same or are there major differences? Thanks to all the NetJets guys for helping out. I'm hoping to go that route very soon.

Skyward80

Abbey 09-25-2006 17:00

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Mostly correct. It is definately more money up front and a couple of days off less per month. On the reserve schedule, one can not look 4 months down the road and say "I am off on the 27th" as you can if you 7&7 it.

The term "reserve" at NetJets is a terrible way to describe the schedule. Flex or Alternative would be better. When compared to 121, ALL NJA pilots are on reserve. None of us knows where or when we will be going or what FBO we spend the day in until we are actually doing it. There is also no sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring on a NJA reserve schedule. You will get the same instructions as the 7&7 holders. The reserve schedule is a good deal for those who are flexible on their days off.

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