Not floating here.

Would love to have you join ALPA, but the Delta MEC is very dysfunctional. We have the same "personnel" issues as you.

I would love to have Delta dysfunction.

APA's strategy to improve this regionAAl contract: "We asked, but they said no....". I hope we're able to get some base-hits in 2023.

Yeah well our personnel issues result in a contract that is paying 30% less.

And we lost a lot of little perks.

I haven't compared this year to last year, but in CLT lots of guys floated still. Especially CA's and senior FO's (the type of which could hold CA). Third listers thru new hires very minimally floated though.

my previous post was just dealing with the 320. The 330 was much worse. Probably 80% of CA's and FO's floated.

I didn't float but can't claim any high ground because I made that decision prior to the request.

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I can't believe these guys floated. Selfish f*cks. That's how the JCBA got voted in 2:1 because of them.

Your union specifically asked for your help. You couldn't even use your earned vacation? It's not like they asked you to take a pay cut.

Despicable.


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Pathetic. Can't wait for the WD's to retire.

Just wait til 2020. This group will fall for the artificial timelines put on us to sign a crappy deal by Parker and glass in no time. It's going to be infuriating.

I floated zero, got my 2nd choice, I like days off.

A quick look thru the vac award for my base shows mostly senior/relatively senior guys floating. Lots of zeros from third listers on down. Way to go baby boomers, genX and millennials showing you how it's done.

I wanted to float and get paid, I'm single/no kids I can make a vacation whenever I want with PBS/ttot, but I didn't. And I'm not a 3rd or 4th lister.

Why would a fairly senior 330 pilot not float his vacation? They can bid reserve and take as much time off as they want. Floating their vacation gives them more money with the same time off.

Read post 1 by Al...and please tell me you aren't an American Airlines pilot.

Browsing through DFW, MIA, CLT, PHL, and PHX. It appears that LUS east guys were the worst offenders by far, with the exception being guys on property less than about 6 years. The LAA exception appears to be 777/787 guys, who did float quite a bit.

Meanwhile management is surely laughing in our faces.


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More FOs than Captains followed the union's request and did not float.

Shows that the junior guys are paying attention and are willing to bind together.

As the older guys retire, the more unified we will become.

Shame on anyone who floated. The ability to create leverage was diminished by floaters.

I was thinking the same thing. Just have to keep getting the newhires motivated with the rest of us.

There is no point in going to ALPA. Our problem isn't the union, it's the membership.

BOOM. You sir, have cracked the code on humans. You win the internet for today.

I did not float. Sliceback did. He is 900 seniority.

He tried to justify his Float as he "ran the data and the numbers showed it was a flawed effort by APA"

Oh no slice. Say it ain't so.

Slice floated. Big surprise. Thanks for nothing slice you selfish POS.


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I'm all for it...there is hope for us yet. Did I think the no float plan would happen with the whole pilot group....no. But it's encouraging that the new guys and next generation could be unifying.

I have 0 respect for anyone who floated. Absolutely pathetic

Quick someone ask if they should pick DL or AA so slice can come chime in with his stupid math about what number they will retire.

I find it hilarious the junior guys who are the "millennial/entitlement" generation put the money where their mouth is and didn't float. Meanwhile all the boomers had a me me me mentality and did what benefitted them. Hurry up and leave. We have work to do and you're in the way. [emoji1480]



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I'm a boomer with 31 accrued days and didnt float. A buddy of mine who's a CA who ALWAYS floats didn't float. It's not young vs. old.

As it shouldn't be. Shouldn't be previous airlines either. Should be like a strike vote where 99% vote for it / follow directions accordingly

It may have been flawed but you gotta start somewhere. Jeeezz!!!

It's not young vs. old, but the more senior pilot did disproportionately float.

Narrow body pilots floated less than four days on average. Widebody was more in the eight to eleven day average with senior captains, the ones who make the most and generally have less expenses (kids at home), floating the most.

Why do they do it? Because there are no ramifications. In the old days these pilots would have been highlighted.

The union needs to have these awards posted on every union board around the system so pilots will have to face their peers in the open. It's public information so post it. It won't change everyone but it will sure make them think the next time that the union asks something of them. Many did it because they didn't think anyone would notice.

Those that floated are the first to want more but they want others to be the ones to make the sacrifices to get more.

If the APA leadership is aiming to get enhancements it will need the support of its members. It's time we know who is with us and who isn't.

No more hiding. No more excuses.
It's time to be a union again with required participation from all its members, not just some. That's how our forefathers successfully established this profession decades ago. It wasn't from management's kindness it was from the solidarity of its pilots.

So alas, we can finally see that the "entitlement" generation are those who are calling the kettle black.

No more self-entitled of a generation, in the history mankind, then that of the boomers. Their parents, of the greatest generation, gave them the world with their hard work and determination. The boomers then took it and ruined for all to follow. Now they sit as the elders and blame the youth for the problems.

No, it's not an age thing. It's a demographic thing. The old guard, primarily, here once again headed trough to without regard or care. You all can't retire soon enough. Then we, the youth, (junior) can fix this place with your entilted, self righteous being, seeing how great you could have had it from the sideline at the end of life.

Shouldn't have said all and shouldn't have said old. My fault.

I should have said most of the senior guys. They are spineless and already got theirs. So f everyone else.


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Isn't it called "alternative fact" these days?

Sliceback = RB? If so, so many things just became clearer...

It is indeed unfortunate that those who floated quoted a plethora of excuses ranging from "I never got notification" to "I thought it was a dumb idea" to "APA will lose big with this..." etc, etc, etc.

Bottom line is, this was a request and display of unity. Whatever the disagreements over the process, our union president and the entire BOD requested and honored the no float campaign - that means that the membership follows suit, no questions asked. That is true Unionism.

Anybody who did not honor this request does not understand true Unionism. The only folks who get a pass on floating are those on medical leave, disability.

One of the ironic things is that one of our resident experts on our contract and PBS clearly shows that floaters lose $$$ under PBS and work more.

In the end we had roughly 75% of the entire membership that didn't float. Any way you look at it, that it some good unity overall. Congrats folks and proud to call you Union Brothers and Sisters.

The RB im thinking of is MIA 77 or 76. I think Slice is LGA AB. Not sure tho. RB is a huge idiot so it's a good possibility, but he's more in your face about it.

While I don't agree with Slice's option to float, I've known him long enough to at least figure he had extenuating circumstances that caused him to do so. Always give folks benefit of the doubt.

And say what you want about him... he's helped me out a ton the past years on all sorts of stuff. He's a good guy. We don't always see eye to eye but I respect him.

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Extenuating circumstances? Unless a close family member was extremely ill then I don't see what they could be.

I will not give a guy the benefit of the doubt when his union asked him specifically not to do something. Idc what his "data" showed about the merits of not floating.

Union says don't float then don't float. Slice just got outed as the selfish company blowhard he is.

I didn't float, but I never have floated. When the first combined vacation bid became available the topic of floating and staffing came up on our west web boards and I decided not to float.

Considering this herd of cats in so many camps, I think the fact that overall floating seems to be down quite a bit is a good baby step.