All I'm saying is, be careful who you criticize of floating without facts first. On C&R just now there was a senior DFW 80 CA who floated due to his wife having some severe health problems.

You and I both don't know what's going on in Slice's life so I apply the benefit of the doubt.

Other than that - like you said - there is really no other excuse, I agree.

Sesame Street
 

Okay, so he's a character from Seseme Street. Company sellout.

This stuff isn't hard. Don't float. Being CLT based, sad to see our Captains sell out. I'm tired of watching them go out of their way to hinder our union.

Yea barring extreme family circumstances. But seeing how he has enough time for 50k posts between here and c and r and now he's in hiding I'm almost positive he is just a sellout.

Standing by for his sob story.

It doesn't surprise me about the CLT Captains. I, personally, can't wait until they start getting IMAX'd!

How is not floating a vacation going to help your cause? You are not in section 6 negotiations. Your union never should have agreed to a 5 year deal. I don't blame guys for floating their vacation. If the union didn't want it done, they shouldn't have put it in the contract.

Oh please. Not floating would require more pilots, genius.

The union dropped the ball on our contract. That's known. However now they're trying to build solidarity and show management we can stick together.

I blame the floaters. They were asked not to and they did anyway. Pure selfishness.

The theory was if we all bid vacation, it would require more pilots. They wouldn't have time to staff it, so there would be a bunch of premium trips.

Didn't you just previously write - "The only folks who get a pass on floating are those medical leave, disability".

Your entire statement about him is contrary to your previous post.
You may like him. You may think he is a great guy. I don't know him at all, but if he floated I don't see him as a unionist.

As you previously stated, there are no excuses.

Funny how he just disappeared.

Yes I did, and that's exactly what I meant. Maybe he or his family had a medical reason to do so. I've already read of several pilots on our board that floated due to that, and our union president gave them a pass at the beginning. So that's why we should always give them the benefit of doubt before slamming them.

Union boards are not for giving benefit of doubt, just for slamming anonymously from a keyboard 😛

Oh come on aa73! Just admit it, you just aren't as smart as AF. But hey, we can't all know everything, just him!

I don't need the cash from float, I don't have any family issues that makes me need the time in reserve(for now) and want more time off. So I didn't float. But I don't know everyone's circumstances so I'm not going to throw rocks. Not even at those young, healthy F/Os that floated all available vacation.

He wasn't responding to me, but I agree no one can know everything like me[emoji41]

I usually give everybody the benefit of a doubt, but his sudden silence is suspicious.

I also lean towards benefit of the doubt.

I guess I just don't understand how a person with issues at home benefits from floating? Is it to get paid an extra 5 hours a month? Or to be able to drop trips using FMLA and get paid?

If it's the former, and you're a captain that can't live on 73 hours a month, you have some serious financial issues that might require a change in lifestyle. If it's the latter, that makes some sense.

Wow, PRS easy please! You put this profession and financial responsibility in the SAME sentence?

The latter, as I understand it. I have a friend with a chronically sick Dad and he's pretty much the sole caregiver. That's why he floated in previous years, but he didn't for next year.

I spend too much time listening to Dave Ramsey podcasts on my commute.

When you have a gazillion post over multiple web boards how committed are you to that sick person?

Funny thing is he popped up on another thread but he's silent on this one lol.

Well he has been called out on this thread and C&R.

For me, on reserve, floating would have netted me more money, while buying another house, but I chose not to float, and figure out the way.

I'll give him a day or two before inviting him back over here...

Anyone listen to the PHL conference two days ago? Thank God some LAA guy tells me that I am working for a big airline now and have to do what he says...

lol story time..

Stuck in the house so spends most of his time on the computer instead of playing golf, riding a motorcycle, on a boat? My first wife took care of her Mom with cancer, in her home, for almost two years. That took a real toll on her and our marriage.

I have no idea why slice or anyone else floated. I think a safe assumption is that for most guys it was simply ignoring what the union asked for personal greed. But there are some individuals out there with really tough situations and we can't always know which is which. Go to C&R and read the story of the guy that floated because his wife has Huntington's disease. I don't think any of us would tell him to his face that he is a greedy old SOB that needs to retire.

Although though there was a greater % of senior that floated than junior, there was no shortage of junior that floated all the could. Should any of them be singled out? The F/O on my last trip is a great guy. A pleasure to work with and above average pilot. He didn't mention any family issues, but he did float.

Overall it appears that fewer floated, so let's see how it worked out instead of vilifying those that didn't. I have over 25 years of watching guys vilify each other and can tell you it doesn't produce results.

Guys, we need to face the fact that we have a contract. When Carey came out with "This is our year" I pretty much wrote him off. We cannot achieve outside of section 6 what would be a home run inside of it. The APA failed with this merger contract. They failed when they didn't get LUS input and the icing on the cake was the cost neutral arbitration clause. Think about it, how many grievance arbitration do we win? The biggest win we've gotten, profit sharing back, wasn't because of the union, Parker gave it to us because of other pressures!

That doesn't mean that we can't make improvements. I think we need to accept the pay and put all our efforts into correcting the QOL of things over the next few years, then we can put our all efforts into pay in section 6. If we whiz in the wind and get nothing done over before, we will be fighting on all battlegrounds. If we cannot convince the company to get rid of something as idiotic as A3 DH, how can we get anything?

Just my opinion, it's worth what you paid for it. But let's compare notes on 1/1/2018.

Floated. It looks like a Ponzi scheme. Guys with no skin in the game asking others to give forgo up to 12% of their pay. Plan do secret thru couldn't tell the BOD. BOD took five days to agree up support it. They were busy, flying non stop for five days, and too busy to communicate. BOD decision made with no review of the data supporting the 'no float' call. $40,000 decision. Welcome to APA logic

How would it cost you $40k? You get paid the same wether you float or not.

You make $300K plus, another $40K shouldn't matter.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

The guys that float all their vacation and cash out instead of taking it.

Float
 

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Knew you'd be selfish about it.

The junior guys need the money much more than you and we overwhelmingly didn't float. You're a joke. I liked it better when you were hiding.

YOU are what's wrong with APA. Hurry up and retire.

To me you're just working more (not taking vacation) to get paid more, but there is no such thing as a free lunch. The opportunity cost of floating is more time working. Glad I can live on 60 hours a month if I have too. And probably 20 to 30 when I'm at SB's seniority.

Sliceback

It has nothing to do with $40,000. It has to do with standing together as a union. I am very disappointed in you.

Lame bro, so lame!

Hahahaha! *YOU* show what's wrong with the LAA attitude! *YOUR* answer shows that switching unions will not change one d@mn thing with AA! We were waiting a couple of days for this answer? Classic!

Folks, please save this reply. This should be a constant reminder that those senior guys *ONLY* think about themselves and they are willing to throw you under the bus!

But his calculations showed it was an ineffective Ponzi scheme!


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Which translates into....?

Me. Me. Me. Me.

Or is it an attempt to brag about a profit-sharing like payout to DL and UA pilots?

He probably wears his APA "UNITY" tag with pride!

Float
 

Exactly. All about greed. I floated and cashed out 14 days from last year. I'm looking forward to that payment next check.

But unlike slice when my union asked something of me I didn't hesitate to bid all my vacation this year. But it's prob hard to live on $300/hr, they take out so much in taxes!!!

Do you see it now, AA73? Our current problems are not easily resolved by *just* switching unions. The above exemplifies an attitude problem at AA and unfortunately APA. (Please, let's not get distracted that LUS has less than LAWA than ex-TWA, Reno, Trump shuttle etc.)

Everybody has his or her right to exercise the freedom in our contract, but it is no justification for selfishness, let alone making up some weird excuse.

@Slice: Be a man and admit that you are greedy. Don't give us this bullocks about a Ponzi scheme.

Wow. What an idiot. Is there an ignore function?

Slice I think it's clear no one gives a f what you say anymore. At least be a man and say you threw your brothers under the bus for a couple extra bucks.

Unfortunately for the rest of us you don't retire until after 2020. Looking forward to your idiotic ramblings about why we need to take the money now!!!!!


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