Originally Posted by Turbine1

The log-jam is our execs have no regard for the pilot group if they ever did. When they can’t tell the difference between one of our pilots and an American pilot in uniform on one of our picket lines that’s clear. When they refuse to even discuss maternity leave in negotiations when we have maybe one female pilot a year needing said leave, it’s clear. Safety is not their concern, moving airplanes is.

Our execs are now like the autopilot to keep the company straight and level until the fuel runs out. It appears their only goal is to make it to the point where they can fragment AAWH profitably. Since they already know a pilot group ( or a much smaller one ) will not be needed in the future, why spend money, time and manpower now to make needed safety improvements?

The company set the example when they fired that Captain from his instructor position for giving factual testimony in court about fatigue calls which brought to light that the company was cherry picking and twisting fatigue delays to make it appear the pilots were engaged in an illegal work slowdown. The company won the overall case anyway but one of our best instructors still got canned...as a message to anyone who dares speak up. Even though the union got his position back after 7 months the middle managers aren’t going to fall on their swords and lose their livelihood.

They’ll be no long term repercussions from the accident. Sure AAWH may be excoriated in the final report, but as it appears we’ll be losing major flying anyway due to lack of crew a financial hit will be minimal. By the time the report comes out the shareholders will have the stock down in the single digits. Any lawsuits will be settled out of court.

Originally Posted by ROBsINtheHOOD

This thread by itself is an indictment upon the US legal system , it’s shameful bias and it’s inability to promote fairness , flight safety and should be used in future reference to attribute cause and blame exactly where it deserves to be.

Originally Posted by Elevation

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We just have to drive our respective organizations to get up and act.

Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER

I think you are gravely mistaken if you think that anyone other than the management of Atlas can change the outcome of this catastrophe. AAWW is headed out of the airline business and will become nothing more than a leasing company and we couldn't stop them even if we said we'd fly for free. They have driven this ship beyond the point of no return.

Originally Posted by Elevation

It doesn't take that long to enact corrections, though. The lack of action on general and predictable safety issues is more troubling than the delay on the report. There's some sort of log-jam even in delivering basic and easy improvements that we really need to get on.

Honestly, I don't think there's a problem with the individual leaders involved. Individually all these people are rational and generally moral. How we all come together to build a system that can't even deliver or even start to push for a LOSA program after is really troubling.

Do we have too much cheerleading going on to maintain a dysfunctional status quo in flight operations? Are people afraid to speak up?


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Originally Posted by sandman22

So AAWW wants to drastically shrink their company to that of only an aircraft leasing company and give all of their airline business to companies like Kalitta? What kind of a management team does this?

Originally Posted by MoarAlpha

Atlas has never had a LOSA?

Originally Posted by Riverside

You're a gem.

Originally Posted by Elevation

A long time ago Atlas attempted a LOSA, but the program faltered. This was before my time here, and I heard they used check-airmen as LOSA observers, which would be self-defeating.