atpcliff

You will be airlined from X airport to wherever the trip starts, and then airlined to X airport from wherever the trip ends. You will be provided a hotel when u r not flying. Domestic is usually coach, Intntl is biz or better.

You can request what you want.
Last 747 class was planned for 27 new hires...10 pilots showed up, and the 747 is by far the best paying airframe at Atlas/Southern.

Birdsmash

Is Southern bringing the 747s back? I’m so confused.

WhipWhitaker

The way the 777s are flying, they’ll be the highest paying airframe per pilot over the next year.

Birdsmash

True. The 777 only pays 92% of the 747 rates. However, a recent hire 777 pilot (less than 12 months) credited 250 hours last month as a result of involuntary extension at min 12 hours + block each scheduled day off due to crew shortage. You’ll have no life outside of work with a schedule like that but it works for some.

How is that possible? Section 26 Scheduling is still being phased in through May. It is still 20 day lines, travel on day 1 & 20, but days 18,19, and 20 are above the CBA/LOA max so they pay 2,4,6 hours above guarantee. Take a 20 day line of 100 hours + DH + the 2,4,6 and you’re already at approximately 115 hours. Throw in another 10-11 days of involuntary extension and some more 4 crew flying = 250 hours.

I could care less if Atlas pilots post on Southern threads. Just don’t blow your credibility by posting falsehoods.

kolt66

You took offense to him stating that the 747 pays more than the 777? So what? It's accurate anyway. But you use that as an excuse to let everyone know just how many hours a few pilots credited recently in hopes that some of the lurkers here might take the bait and apply.

You're one of the biggest cheerleaders for Southern Air management and your posts harm your fellow Atlas and Southern pilots. And everyone here can see that you're just disguising that as an attempt to supposedly correct "falsehoods". BS.

Birdsmash

Let me make my position perfectly clear. I support a strong pilot Union. I definitely support mine. What I don’t support is members weakening the credibility of their Union by posting half truths or outright BS on another airline’s threads. It’s weak and pathetic. The actions of a few members of the social media attack squad put a stain on the rest of the Union (to be fair, atpcliff’s posts are usually fair & balanced).

If you want to post the sad, sad truth re. the CBA, QOL, or the path the AAWW Executives have chosen for both airlines have at it. If you post half-truths or BS on a Southern thread expect me to counter it with the truth. Want to avoid that? It’s simple.

kolt66

Let's look at this from a practical standpoint. Someone goes onto a forum and makes a post about Southern that is a "half-truth or BS" that makes Southern sound worse than it really is. The result is that some people might be discouraged from applying. Until you come in...

You choose to post something in response to "counter it with the truth" which results in some people being less discouraged in applying.

You can try to disguise your actions in whatever way you want but the result of your actions is that some people will be less discouraged in applying than if you had just not replied at all.

In essence, you're doing the work of a recruiter whether you are one or not.

Birdsmash

The tactic of scaring applicants off in hopes of putting more pressure on management is not working. Look at AAWWs earnings the last year - record revenue/earnings. Parked jets don’t produce those results.

Maybe the classes aren’t full but what true effect has it had on the fleet? I’m not an Atlas expert (and I don’t pretend to be) so I don’t really know . Southern has yet to park a jet. If we do it’s only because the training pipeline is backed up by at least 2 months now. Hear that potential new hires? Expect to sit at home waiting on OE for at least 2 months after your type rating....@ $1600 month on top of the 2 months you just spent in training. People keep showing up for class...though not because I encouraged them.

Both airlines are still putting meat in the seat. I’d support the tactic if it worked, but all it does is scare off some of the most qualified pilots who are replaced be some who are less so.

CardboardCutout

Uhm, that's preposterous. You're openly advocating lying so long as it discourages people from applying. Aside from the fact that, you know, lying is wrong, like they taught us in first grade, it's also ineffective. You lie, you lack credibility, and no one listens to anything you have to say. AFAICT, the reality at Southern is more than enough to convince people not to apply, in any case.

kolt66

If the goal were to get no pilots applying then the first group that has to stop applying are the most qualified pilots. Then the less qualified would have to stop applying. Then no pilots would apply.

You've just admitted that the tactic works when you said that it scares off the most qualified pilots. So stop trying to defeat a tactic that is helping you get a better contract.

I'm not even advocating for this tactic and I'm not even saying that people here are using this tactic. That's why I quoted your words ("half truths or BS"). If you think it's a "half-truth or BS" just stop trying to "counter it with the truth" because you're only hurting our chances at a new contract.