Atlas 767 went down in Houston
03-03-2019, 12:08 PM
#311
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Originally Posted by F4E Mx
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/.../KIAH/tracklog
It is the next to last reading.
I worked on F-4s at Eglin AFB in Florida in the 70s
It is the next to last reading.
I worked on F-4s at Eglin AFB in Florida in the 70s
Watch out for those aux air doors and the gents club out at the beach.
03-03-2019, 12:27 PM
#312
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Originally Posted by JonGoodsell764
I tend to steer clear of the bowels of our society(Internet forums) ....
..... where keyboard warriors determine someone’s credibility based on their posting history or lackthereof on said Internet forum. A genuine and honest inquiry is all that I was making.
03-03-2019, 12:30 PM
#313
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Originally Posted by JonGoodsell764
First and foremost, condolonces to the family of the three crewmen aboard Giant 3591. Your loved ones have been cleared west, climb unrestricted. Everyone in the aviation community is feeling the magnitude of this tragedy and I am so proud of what everyone has done so far to contribute to the memorial funds in their names, respectively.
Out of respect for the families, I'm not here to offer speculation based on conjecture and incomplete information. The facts will come out in due process and offering any sort of narrative at this point is doing a disservice to the investigation.
That being said, I've found it particularly odd that two of the crewmembers have been covered somewhat extensively in the media, the FO and J/S. I haven't seen the CAs name mentioned in an article or obit anywhere and there seems to be a lack of information coming out on that front. Just an observation that maybe someone could shed light on.
Out of respect for the families, I'm not here to offer speculation based on conjecture and incomplete information. The facts will come out in due process and offering any sort of narrative at this point is doing a disservice to the investigation.
That being said, I've found it particularly odd that two of the crewmembers have been covered somewhat extensively in the media, the FO and J/S. I haven't seen the CAs name mentioned in an article or obit anywhere and there seems to be a lack of information coming out on that front. Just an observation that maybe someone could shed light on.
03-03-2019, 01:42 PM
#314
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
It also says -27900 fpm at 700 feet and 334 knots, still on a westerly heading. That had to be supersonic....thus accounting for a boom heard by witnesses.
You could have looked that up yourself instead of suggesting nonsense.
03-03-2019, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
It also says -27900 fpm at 700 feet and 334 knots, still on a westerly heading. That had to be supersonic....thus accounting for a boom heard by witnesses.
Watch out for those aux air doors and the gents club out at the beach.
Watch out for those aux air doors and the gents club out at the beach.
-27900fpm (465fps) is 275kts or approx Mach 0.43 (not accounting for current conditions at the time). I may be mistaken but the speed referenced above is ground speed (GS), not actual aircraft airspeed. GS has no relation to speed of sound.
“Supersonic travel is a rate of travel of an object that exceeds the speed of sound (Mach 1). For objects traveling in dry air of a temperature of 20 °C (68 °F) at sea level, this speed is approximately 344 m/s, 1,125 ft/s, 768 mph, 667 knots, or 1,235 km/h.”
Also, the witness(es) described it as “sounded like lightning”.
Last edited by CaptDave; 03-03-2019 at 01:55 PM.
03-03-2019, 02:06 PM
#316
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Originally Posted by redeyed
That would be true on light aircraft, but on larger transport-category aircraft pitch trim is accomplished by a jackscrew on the entire horizontal stab. Even if the elevator surface was frozen, the pitch trim still works in the normal direction.
03-03-2019, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by CaptDave
Also, the witness(es) described it as “sounded like lightning”.
03-03-2019, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by F4E Mx
I knew the horizontal stabilizer was trimmable, but I thought it had trailing edge tabs on the elevator as well. Thanks for the clarification.
03-03-2019, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BMEP100
It also says -27900 fpm at 700 feet and 334 knots, still on a westerly heading. That had to be supersonic....thus accounting for a boom heard by witnesses.
Watch out for those aux air doors and the gents club out at the beach.
Watch out for those aux air doors and the gents club out at the beach.
Since there are numerous 767 in pax service, NTSB will provide some info soon enough, to either alleviate concerns for pax safety or get the word out if there's some real problem. They'll do that even if the root cause is tentative at that point.
03-03-2019, 02:41 PM
#320
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Originally Posted by JonGoodsell764
Families have sought out these forums in the past looking for answers from industry “professionals” so I would absolutely caution the rampant speculation and use your best judgement for the sake of people directly involved.
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