TransWorld

I realize all the various options. I don’t believe I got a clear answer to my question. Let me state it again.

My impression was a higher percentage of FedEx packages are delivered to businesses who receive multiple packages, compared to UPS where a lesser percentage of packages are delivered to businesses who receive multiple packages.

The converse, UPS delivers a higher percentage of their packages to residences, one package at a time. FedEx delivers a lower percentage of their packages to residences, one package at a time.

Radials Rule

Get rid of your Exco’s Stockholm Syndrome and start acting like partners, then we’ll get things done. In any case, we will NOT let a small percentage drag us all down. If roles were reversed, you wouldn’t either.

ROBsINtheHOOD

It’s a mistake for 2000 Atlas pilots to disregard , alienate and marginalize the approximately 500 Southern pilots with regards to a JCBA. You are stronger together and weaker separate. Management relish the idea of infighting among the two groups. Don’t help them in their greedy quest of dominance and control.

ChopNDrop

say it again for the people in the back

tnkrdrvr

Short version, you are incorrect

TransWorld

FedEx Employees 245,000 / 384 a.c. = 638 employees per plane

UPS Employees 481,000 / 273 a.c. = 1,762 employees per plane

I am trying to square what you say with the numbers. It does not make sense.

cessnapilot

You’re confusing several numbers and trying to correlate those numbers to a narrative and end result that is off. UPS is a lot of business to business. They have significantly more big rig trucks than FedEx. Lease rail and ships. The bread and butter isn’t residential delivery.

google UPS facts sheet and FedEx facts sheet for a few more data points. Or the SEC filings if you cannot sleep.

Elevation

I'm an Atlas pilot and I agree with this. We aren't enemies and we don't get anywhere by squabbling on the line level.

I'd also point out that this is by far not the first time there has been some disagreement between Atlas and Southern union leadership, but this is the first time that these issues have been broadcast to the pilots in a union-sponsored forum directly from our active leadership (via a crew-call). This occurred despite having an established pathway to resolve these problems within the airline division at IBT. Besides, negotiations are taking place again.

It's no secret that our current leadership is less than popular. Since popular opinion really plays no role in negotiations at this point (negotiators have signed NDAs, arbitration occurs behind closed doors, etc.) we have to ask why are we handling this in such a loud and public format when we haven't done so before? This smacks of a political maneuver more than anything else.

I don't see how any of this pilot-on-pilot nonsense benefits the pilots. All it creates is more people foaming at the mouth during preflight.

I can clearly see how it takes heat off of a few leaders who are eyeing higher positions. It certainly takes attention away from the fact that Dubinsky doesn't consider himself a co-trustee. It certainly takes attention away from delaying an election for several months when bylaw ratification got done quickly. We're certainly focused on Southern when there is PLENTY going on that's contrary to the pilots' votes and voices.

The people above us are ambitious and self-serving. Let's hold our people in power to account rather than fight with each other. This is the only thing that keeps them fighting for us rather than their career goals, and is why our vote is so important. If Southern wants something we don't, let's settle it at airline division and move on.

Elevation

The Southern Parity came when Bob K was on vacation. So Birdsmash is not making up facts. There was something of a stink about this when it happened. Also I don't believe we consulted them at all when we created a new local with no notice. It's hard for our Atlas leadership to point fingers and accuse Southern of anything when we bailed on them with no notice.

Luckily all of this is academic since we're still members of the same union and differences are resolved at Airline Division.

Over the last five years we've heard a lot of big talk. Big talk about what we're fighting for. Big talk about our commitment to our crews. Actions, however, have been consistently spineless. We ignored the first flight-pay-loss vote. We left 1224 at 11pm on a Friday without a vote. Our leaders have joined management during some of our most sensitive times. We made 7 stewards with nary-a-vote. Now we are told from Dubinsky rather than Bob that we don't get to vote before a contract and there's no clear end in sight for trusteeship.

What are we getting instead? More big talk.

Spineless.

Radials Rule

I agree to an extent, but this is a bit of a straw man fallacy. 2000 Atlas pilots are not some monolith marginalizing Southern pilots, all of whom might not even be privy to the intentions of Southern’s leadership wanting a 50/50 say. Our leadership has been explicit in its call against going to war with the rank and file at Southern. By posting this, you might be unintentionally going against the crux of your message.

In any case, the notion of essentially rolling over and playing dead by settling for near pay parity w/K4, ABX, etc., without soft pay gains and work rules is FUBAR and worth fighting against.