Base and Seniority Progression Information
 

So we have been getting a lot of questions about bases and seniority progression on when one can hold a certain base on a certain fleet. I hope to keep this somewhat updated for those thinking of coming over and so we don’t keep getting the same questions over and over about base progression.

This is as of the May vacancy…

Note: For those looking to come onboard, don’t be mistaken by the seemingly short upgrade time on the 777. That is a relic of the pre-merger situation. Same goes for the 737… The chart below is simply the most junior person in base and seat. It’s going to be awhile for pre-merger stuff to shake out. The FO side is straight forward at this point though.

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Thanks for putting this together.

A quick note for those looking to come onboard, don’t be mistaken by the seemingly short upgrade time on the 777. That is a relic of the pre-merger situation. The latest 777 CA award went to someone hired in 2014.

For now, at least, the upgrade times indicated on the other fleets is pretty accurate.

‘Thanks for this, I added this note to the thread opener.

2015 not 2014.

Last vacancy, jr CA awards for 777/737.
777 CA 10/2015
737 CA 04/2019

That’s pretty spot on. Unless more airframes arrive (other than those already planned), don’t let anyone tell you otherwise

Thanks for the correction. I missed the MIA award.

Thx for posting this.

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Any chance a new hire 747 to get JFK after training?

nope!, at least a year, if things keep moving the way they are moving. More like a year and a half…

with that said, I am guessing they will assign ANC as base and initially on reserve? How's the reserver would work? Do I seat reserve there or they keep me around my gateway airport until they have a trip?

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Junior base is ANC yes, and reserve is at a hotel, with a few exceptions. Then we have SCDY lines which is a different story, but to answer your question, ANC is the junior base and reserve is wherever that reserve line says, in a hotel, of course paid by the company.

Reserve is non-existent on the 74… plenty of flying to be assigned. Junior 74 base is ANC. I’ll be posting up to date Info in a couple weeks.

JFk fresh out of training, forget about it….

A 74 new hire isn’t going to be senior enough to hold reserve.

I know of a few hired in December and again in January that will be holding it this summer

Took about 6 months from DOH for most of my class to get out of ANC. LAX, CVG, and JFK, on the last two bids (LAX FO was awarded at 5 month mark, I believe).

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Hopefully I would commute just a couple times to ANC, before getting a base down in the low 48

Folks seem to be able to hold just about any base on the 747 about 3-4 months after OE. The one noticeable exception would be Miami which presently takes over two years.

These trends do not guarantee results, kind of like the stock market

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Well done.

Nice. Fair statement that the junior captain awards are all post merger? If so, I agree that provides truth in advertising.

This is all post merger information. The first chart highlights the most jr in base, and most junior upgrades highlights the upgrade movement. There fleets where post merger upgrade times have gone up.

No. The 777 upgrades were pre merger. 777 and 747 are about the same for upgrade now…about 5.5 years. Those that upgraded more recently than that are going to be junior in their seat for several years.

All other fleet upgrades are accurate post merger dates.

Edit: I just went back and looked at the charts and the “Jr Captain awards” chart is accurate for the most recent awards. 747 and 777 are very close…767 a few months junior…737 a couple years junior…as of right now. Who knows what the future might bring.

How about LAX?

Junior FO DOH is 02/14/2022. So you should be able to get it 2-3 months after OE.

Quick response. Thank you much..

the answer is on the previous page, that’s the most up to date information. The next update will not be until July 20th

Perfect, I bookmarked the link. Much appreciated..

Great info here.

Slightly off topic: how long overall is the training in MIA once you’re hired and start a class in a wide body?

Was told in the phone screen for 74 it's 3 months. Not sure about 77.

4 months to get out of MIA. Then two weeks to four more months to get off OE. A lot depends on clearing backlogs, etc.

Thank you for the quick replies

Can you break down a bit what 4 months of training entails? Thank you

1 week indoc, 1 month systems and oral prep,1 month Sims and type rating prep, several weeks of topoff training, and probably 3-4 weeks sitting around on a break in training.

Quite a bit of beer drinking and grilling at the hotel.

Others pretty much summed it up. After systems there's consistently a series of delays as people try to get into sims, procedures trainers, etc. Lots of time off between sessions, etc. So about 4 months start to finish in Miami. After that there are training backlogs, etc. to deal with, so OE can take some time.

Appreciate the responses. And just as much, the humor.

Topoff training? Polishing for the ride?

Any time to jump a plane home to cut the lawn so I'm not tossed out by the wife?
Coming from the West coast. I know it's a bit of a stretch. I'm good for grilling at the hotel. Make a mean brisket.

Best..

LOFT, CAT II/III, landings, etc sims as well as classroom days for things like international procedures, differences, etc. This all occurs after the type ride is complete.

Don’t plan on it. It may happen at some point depending on your schedule and how long it would take you to get home and back but it’s not good to plan on that. Schedule changes often occur with very little notices and you are expected to be there until training is completed.

Due to not enough training devices, you can expect a break. Currently most classes are being sent home for 3-5 weeks, the Aussies might want to plan on Disney.