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Globemaster2827 01-03-2017 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by DJIA (Post 2273802)
Source...?

Allegedly there are 6 Giants in the UPS class that starts today. That'd put us on pace for 18 this month...

Globemaster2827 01-03-2017 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by sandstorm (Post 2273848)
For those of you with upcoming interviews and those interested in coming to Atlas, make sure you are educated as to how much you will be making. DO NOT believe it when HR will tell you during the interview that you will make $90K your first year and around $120K your second year. Do the math yourself based on guarantee. Yes, there will be a couple months where you will credit around 70-75 hours, but plan your finances based on guarantee as you can be sent home early for no reason at all and go from a 75 hour credit line down to 62 just like that. If you call in sick during the month, you don't get paid for the hours you miss. You get taken down to guarantee. If you maximize your time off during your vacation and don't take your vacation days on your awarded days off, you will be at 62 hours. If you conflict bid your training, there is a good chance you will be at 62 hours. I can't stress enough to plan your pay based on your hourly rate times your guarantee and consider anything else a bonus. And don't plan on picking up open time either during the lack of negotiations.

For a point of reference, I was on third year pay for a good chunk of last year and didn't even gross $95K last year.

I'm on 6 year pay and I barely cracked $100K last year. True story.

Atrasaty 01-03-2017 11:26 AM

I have spoken with many 76 FO's that are on target to make 50-60k first year after months of training delays. Think about that, 50k for flying a wide body jet in worldwide operations. That's criminal in my opinion but that is the reality despite what HR will tell you.

A5t2l8a0s 01-03-2017 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by Atrasaty (Post 2273951)
I have spoken with many 76 FO's that are on target to make 50-60k first year after months of training delays. Think about that, 50k for flying a wide body jet in worldwide operations. That's criminal in my opinion but that is the reality despite what HR will tell you.

Almost 1 year at the company and YTD $39,504. Also 9 months of that to get from start to finish of IOE. Made more at the regionals...

sixfootglass 01-03-2017 01:29 PM


Originally Posted by A5t2l8a0s (Post 2273995)
Almost 1 year at the company and YTD $39,504. Also 9 months of that to get from start to finish of IOE. Made more at the regionals...

Just thought I would throw my earnings in there for the benefit of those looking at coming to Atlas. I have been here for 9.5 months and as of the Dec. 30 paycheck have grossed $27,839.

Treehorn 01-03-2017 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by FlybyKnight (Post 2274020)
FYI..... Lots of ex-Atlas pilots in today's UPS newhire class.

Hopefully relatively senior former atlas pilots.

Whaledriver 01-03-2017 03:12 PM


Originally Posted by DJIA (Post 2273802)
Source...?

RD, himself.

Atrasaty 01-03-2017 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by sixfootglass (Post 2274028)
Just thought I would throw my earnings in there for the benefit of those looking at coming to Atlas. I have been here for 9.5 months and as of the Dec. 30 paycheck have grossed $27,839.

Wow.......it's worse than I thought. Bottom line if you are a regional pilot with a car payment, mortgage, family to feed and an education loan to service and you choose to come here you may well drown like many of our FO's are right now. I have also spoken with guys that are using up their savings and credit cards to stay afloat in the hope they can move on before they go under. That's a lot of induced stress and a shameful situation. I hope it changes sooner rather than later but my optimism has gone.


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