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JonnyKnoxville 02-03-2018 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by GrabPopcorn (Post 2518808)
They couldn't just.. I don't know, try to go to a MAJOR(legacy)?

We have hundreds that go with a "MAJOR(legacy)" every year but we have some that return to the regionals as well. As a whole, it is a sinking ship and everyone is looking for a lifeboat.

Stratocruzr 02-03-2018 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 2518708)
I know some one who'd be a 7 year 747 Captain if they wanted to who quit last year for Corporate. I think that's a little extreme, but the quality of life here really is terrible. You spend 18 days a month away from your family and the pay sucks...


18 days if you don’t commute to your base. 19-20 AWAY FROM HOME if you commute.

Stratocruzr 02-03-2018 01:22 PM


Originally Posted by GrabPopcorn (Post 2518808)
They couldn't just.. I don't know, try to go to a MAJOR(legacy)?

Are you new here?
You are aware you don’t just apply or show up and get the job?

It could take years. In fact still taking years to be accepted at major. Meanwhile your away from home 17-20 days a month. Bottom of the barrel pay, especially as a new hire - year 3 maybe? CA upgrade. At which point you’ll just barely peak 100k go back to the bottom of the seniority list being gone again more 17-20 days a month.

There are quickly becoming more and more viable options for not only better financial gains but hands down far better QOL.

Stratocruzr 02-03-2018 01:28 PM


Originally Posted by Wolfbayne (Post 2518850)
You’re only imputed on your travel from your gateway (living away from your domicile) to your base. For me, from Atlanta to get to Alaska to start trip and then back to Atlanta at end of trip. No imputed income for them to position you somewhere they need you to be. And if the first leg of your trip happens to be starting somewhere other than your base, you’ll go straight there from your gateway, and don’t get imputed. Many trips start with a deadhead from your base to somewhere else, and in that case you would go straight to that airport from where you live, and don’t get imputed.
Also at the end of a trip you can quite often catch an Atlas jumpseat from Anchorage to someplace closer tour your gateway airport, and then commercial in from there. Many times the plane I bring in to ANC turns right around and goes to CVG or ORD, and I stay on it and then catch Delta to ATL.


Don’t forget deduct the $500 per mo. Insurance.
Do you want to contribute to 401? You don’t get contribution by company unless you do. Deduct another 10% per mo.
And then there is the imputed travel. 300-500 per mo.

So deduct roughly $1000 per mo before you get your paycheck.

Stratocruzr 02-03-2018 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by jackcarls0n (Post 2518070)
Everyone has a reason. For me I wanna return back to US and get more days off. Pay is considerably lower. But QOL is better. It is not like UPS, FedEx, Dal, Ual or AA are banging on my door to hire me. And regional airlines are still bad compared to Atlas.


That changing rapidly. Do your homework. Not as good as you might think and regionals are addressing a lot of short falls while Atlas is actively trying to degrade theirs further. Regionals have flow through. We have nothing.

Additionally atlas is no performing on contracts. The short false will cost them. Don’t want to be on the short end of a list when downsizing happens.

jackcarls0n 02-03-2018 04:38 PM


Originally Posted by Stratocruzr (Post 2519097)
That changing rapidly. Do your homework. Not as good as you might think and regionals are addressing a lot of short falls while Atlas is actively trying to degrade theirs further. Regionals have flow through. We have nothing.

Additionally atlas is no performing on contracts. The short false will cost them. Don’t want to be on the short end of a list when downsizing happens.

I did, most regional offer FO position and upgrade in 2 years with some kind of flow agreement. But very few regional have base in ANC and commuting out of there is not viable. For me Kalitta, and Atlas works. Atlas called and put me in a pool. Kalitta, lets see I will see them and meet other recruiters at a job fair in May and go from there.
I don't wanna go to a regional hoping I would get to a major. Flow program is just a carrot in my opinion to feed their business model. You may or may not get to a Major.
And if you are a 3rd CA at a regional, your pay is still under 80K a year.
For me Atlas is a better option than a regional. Atlas has the schedule/lifestyle I want 10-12 days off in a row is better and works for me than 4-5 days on and 3 days off.
If I can make 80K (including per diem) 2nd year and get 12 days off a month, I am happy.
It is not the best option, but works for me I think. Rest will see how it goes in few months and if I hear from anyone. Will be finishing college in 2 months and maybe more marketable as well.

be76flyer 02-03-2018 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Globemaster2827 (Post 2518334)
Depends on the Regional... If Envoy calls I'd go there in a heartbeat knowing I've got a guaranteed job in 5 years vs hoping that a 767 type gets me an interview that actually lands me a job. I certainly think Atlas is a comparable job to a regional right now if the Regional has an interview hook up with a legacy.

Envoy flow is at 12 years and I don't see it ever going lower than 8-9 at best. If you really want to get a job at Envoy PM your name and I will make it happen.

Globemaster2827 02-04-2018 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by Stratocruzr (Post 2519085)
18 days if you don’t commute to your base. 19-20 AWAY FROM HOME if you commute.

I'm a 4.5 hour drive. Driving really helps because you don't have to use our "Benefit".... Gateway. If you are forced to use Gateway it certainly costs you 2 days a month. 3 or more if you're ANC based.

Globemaster2827 02-04-2018 12:54 AM


Originally Posted by be76flyer (Post 2519311)
Envoy flow is at 12 years and I don't see it ever going lower than 8-9 at best. If you really want to get a job at Envoy PM your name and I will make it happen.

I'm a 747 Captain, but I was hired in 2011... I'd be lying if I told you that I wasn't kicking myself for not going to American Eagle instead. I'd probably have been at AA for 2 years now.

Still.... Look at it from the perspective of anyone younger than about 35... If you go to Envoy you have a GUARANTEE at AA in 8-9 years. Your pay will probably be better as an FO, but I'm guessing worse as a Captain. You might get hired before your 9 years are up. Worst case scenario if you're 35? 20 years at AA. Retirement in the Florida Keys.

Come to Atlas... Live off a credit card for a full year at 20% interest. Spend 5 years paying it off... 3 as an FO and 2 as a CA. Hope someone calls AND you make it through the interview process. Spend $5,000 on every interview you don't get through. Worst case scenario if you're 23? 42 years at Atlas - or worse if it folds. Retirement working till the day you die as a greeter at Wal Mart so that Management gets a 3rd Yacht in the Florida Keys.

Globemaster2827 02-04-2018 12:57 AM


Originally Posted by jackcarls0n (Post 2519034)
But corporate is not a regional. It's a different lifestyle altogether.

I agree, but the person in question would be a 747 Captain in the top 30% of the Atlas list in their early 40s. I'd say that's a big statement. Nobody's leaving AA to go fly corporate!


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