Wrong on so many counts - but not worth debating someone that will never be on board with the group.

Continue to sit on the sidelines and throw rocks. The rest of us will take care of business for you. Fortunately, you are in a very small cluster of people who don't care to lift a finger to help the cause.

For your sake I hope you do weddings and funerals too.
I’m not too difficult to find.
I’m the one of the guys who’s actually happy to be here....with the yellow lanyard.

Checked out of hotel In Southeast Asia hotel last month.

I spoke with the receptionist on check out- I asked her what's the longest anyone has been checked in for.

She laughed, and shook her head. "Atlas" "65 days" "He looked bad" "why you company work you so much"

65 day trip- if anyone feels like doing this- come to Atless

Sounds like a back-to-back outbaser.

Hope he learned his lesson.

I’m calling BS on this story.

You don't believe it's possible ?

My guess is BKK and one of our serial out basers. He looked Bad when he checked in if it was him.

It is very possible. But it is also likely that this is one of the guys who lives overseas and tries to build long trips so as to get long blocks off and/or tries to camp out in the Far East.

One man's wine is another man's poison.

No I don't preach at weddings or funerals. Only here and in the holy pulpit of the flight deck.

I'm happy to be here, too. Seriously. I like this type of flying and I like the people I fly with.

That said, I'd be a lot happier to be at an airline that treated us like the professional pilots that we are and for the job that we do.

- Atlas does not honor our current contract.
- We do not get paid anything close to an industry standard.
- Our work rules and benefits are vastly sub-standard.
- They do not appear to want to complete negotiations, ever.
- Many pilots are leaving because of these things.

This is the message that I promote to prospective pilots. It's not the pretty picture that some want to see, but it's true. Aspiring Atlas pilots deserve to hear this message prior to taking a job here not just the "cool shiny big jet" stuff. As a P2P guy do you really disagree with these things or do you just tell guys how "happy" things are here?

And I don't promote beating up new hires or other pilots who pick up open time or outbases. I'll tell them that I don't and I'll tell them why and let them decide what path to take. Then, at least they're informed. I also tell the new guys what the union message is. That is what a P2P guy is supposed to do. I imagine that this conflicts with some of the "just-happy-to-be-here" guys, but certainly no P2P guys are conflicted like that. Are they? If they are, they are probably the guys who want to help either themselves or the company out at the expense of the rest of the pilots while listening into the P2P calls.

And FWIW, in addition to the perspective that some senior Atlas pilots are trying to derail the new hires by dissuading them from coming to Atlas, there is the perspective that some new hires come to Atlas, get their type, rack up hours of open time and outbases and then check out to their dream jobs with no regard for what the union is trying to do for career Atlas pilots. I don't obsess over either of these points because there are very few of both types, but both perspectives are true.

As I said, I like doing what I do at Atlas with the crews that I fly with. But saying that it is a good career choice for a new hire or for an established Atlas pilot is a lie. Accepting this job under the current circumstances, helps no one.

Highlighted for effect. This is one of the most important things that anyone considering Atlas needs to understand: our work rules are not just substandard compared to the majors, they are substandard compared to most regionals.

I work closely with many of the new hires that come to Atlas through volunteering with the Union. The most frequent comment that I hear over and over again from guys coming here from the regionals is, "I had no idea how much of a step back I was taking in contract protection and work rules when I came here." Just heard it, again, yesterday.