Originally Posted by JackStraw
(Post 2566486)
I think it’s less about the training department, which has to be among the worst in the industry
And if fail rates were that low ( <1 per class) then I think they did somthing right. I’d it flawless? No.....but show me one that is. |
Originally Posted by JackStraw
(Post 2566486)
I think it’s less about the training department, which has to be among the worst in the industry, and more about the experience and talent level passing through the training center.
What is your comparison to say that Atlas has the "worst in the industry"? Where did you accomplish your training and how many airlines have you received a type from to draw such a conclusion? I think prospective candidates here would like to hear concrete evidence instead of a fleeting comment without any support to back up the claim. I'm not goading you....I am curious too because my experience now that I have received two types from Atlas is that despite having taken a step back so to speak having come from an AQP airline is that I thought I was well prepared to take the types. Perhaps it is a mindset in ones approach to training that lays the foundation for success. Instead of showing up and expecting to be spoon fed, which at Atlas will definetly not happen, one would think that when a career is on the line expecting ANY training department to carry you is precarious at best. My experience at Atlas was that every instructor all the way up to S.A. was there to see you succeed provided you put in the time and effort. I think that career preparation in any field is about attitude, aptitude and preparedness. Perhaps this is another area especially during contentious contract negotiations while the company is under the microscope, where it is easier to assign blame to others than to own it. I don't think that Atlas training has anything to do with those getting pinked or leaving. People are leaving because they are chasing the money. People are getting pinked at a normal rate as any other airline because they are not coming prepared mentally, or they had a bad day. Of all the posts here claiming that Atlas has the "highest failure rates", there has been zero statistical data to quantify those statements. Sure there is a learning curve coming from a King Air to a B767 but there are plenty of those guys getting through no problem. Besides, the Feds signed off on Atlas training and the company can't do a thing to our training standards without the union crying foul(as it should be) so if there is blame to be assigned at this point for the perceived "poor training" at Atlas, I think it is a two way street and the only drivers are the union and the company. As I understand it, there are a couple of reasons why Atlas doesn't have AQP; The POI is a hold out, and the other is that union and company can't agree on it's implementation rules.
Originally Posted by Stratocruzr
(Post 2565974)
Absolutely. You are on your own in this training department. It’s a joke. Just like their scheduling and contract.
They want to be a big boy airline but refuse to pay professionals a decent wage so they can’t keep any talent. Not just pilots. ALL DEPARTMENTS. If you’re not expireoenced in getting yourself through a type, you might not want to roll the dice with your certificate. Too many other better places |
Thank you Davetastic.
@ Cruzer, if you’re truly that miserable you have the option of giving up your seat to somebody who really wants to be here. Apart from one post where you complain you didn’t get hired at UPS all you’ve done on this forum is post negativily about Atlas. |
Davetastic and TiredSoul.... you guys have bright futures in airline management if you so desire.
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Originally Posted by sandstorm
(Post 2567036)
Davetastic and TiredSoul.... you guys have bright futures in airline management if you so desire.
Just because I ask pointed question about TRAINING comparisons doesn't make me a "company guy". If you had read ANY of my posts, you'd realize that I agree with our solidarity message and with our union. Our training department doesn't need to be beaten up because guys are failing out of training. Guys get re-trained at EVERY airline and there are pink slips to be handed out at every airline as well. If you are unable or unwilling to recognize that pilots own their training and not the training department, then you are in the wrong profession. And btw Sandstorm,....you can go on and beat me up on this forum like the internet tough guy that you are but why don't you answer the question: What is YOUR expectation of training at Atlas? You and Cruzer both, without substantiating your position, look like trolls and a position without credibility will most likely be ignored by prospective new hires which contradicts your ultimate goal of trying to steer possible pilot candidates away. |
Originally Posted by sandstorm
(Post 2567036)
Davetastic and TiredSoul.... you guys have bright futures in airline management if you so desire.
But I’m here to actually be helpful and maybe informative instead of just regurgitating vitriol you’ve been fed. |
Originally Posted by sandstorm
(Post 2567036)
Davetastic and TiredSoul.... you guys have bright futures in airline management if you so desire.
Of course now they will deny that they sugar coat. The truth is that there is worse training in the industry AND there is training that is a hell of a lot better. The biggest problem with Atlas training is that we have certain instructors that are only there to maximize their personal pay check. Not every instructor is like that.....but there are too many who don't give a **** about the student and only care about the paycheck. |
Originally Posted by Screwed
(Post 2567248)
Sandstorm...they don't understand that by sugar coating they are actually helping the company.
Of course now they will deny that they sugar coat. The truth is that there is worse training in the industry AND there is training that is a hell of a lot better. The biggest problem with Atlas training is that we have certain instructors that are only there to maximize their personal pay check. Not every instructor is like that.....but there are too many who don't give a **** about the student and only care about the paycheck. What do you consider worse? or better training than Atlas? How do you quantify your statement and where is your comparative analysis? crickets. |
Originally Posted by Davetastic
(Post 2567289)
Sure, that is how it works, when someone disagrees with the interwebz, attack them with insults and call them company men. Injecting discord and malcontent into the psyche of prospective candidates intentionally, subconsciously or otherwise is an age old worn out tactic and it is easily spotted but I'll bite. How did I "sugar coat" anything? How am I helping the company? All I did was ask a question to which you and the others have yet to answer.....What do you expect from training? AT ANY AIRLINE? Do you believe that there are instructors at United or American who teach because it is their passion and would forgo the pay override?
What do you consider worse? or better training than Atlas? How do you quantify your statement and where is your comparative analysis? crickets. |
Originally Posted by Screwed
(Post 2567248)
Sandstorm...they don't understand that by sugar coating they are actually helping the company.
Of course now they will deny that they sugar coat. . No more no less. This forum stuff works really easy. Just check somebody’s threads and postings. If it’s just ****ing and moaning for 3 years on just one thread you know they’re here for only one reason. To **** and moan. One didn’t get hired by UPS and the other didn’t get hired at AA. So they accepted a job offer at Atlas then feel sorry for themselves and **** and moan, **** and moan, **** and moan, Ad Infinitum, Ad nauseum... |
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