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RyeMex 08-25-2022 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by Atlasvet (Post 3483820)
In 2020 Atlas hired and processed 583 pilots.This year there are plans to hire in the 800-900 range. According to my math that is nowhere near “3x it’s maximum capacity”. Someone is being a tad over dramatic.

The DE that I spoke with said that our “normal” capacity was about 350 new hires per year, and that this year they were told to process 1,000 new hires. That’s what my factor was based on.

Flightsoffusion 08-25-2022 07:44 PM

Anyone here on 767 out of ONT that could PM me? Just a couple of questions. Thank you..

Atlasvet 08-25-2022 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by RyeMex (Post 3483858)
The DE that I spoke with said that our “normal” capacity was about 350 new hires per year, and that this year they were told to process 1,000 new hires. That’s what my factor was based on.

Again, his math is incorrect, the average number hired over the last three years has been greater then 500/ year
and then has never been a goal of 1000 for this year.

Birdsmash 08-25-2022 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by Atlasvet (Post 3483910)
Again, his math is incorrect, the average number hired over the last three years has been greater then 500/ year
and then has never been a goal of 1000 for this year.

Come on man. Don’t let the truth get in the way of hearsay.

Elevation 08-26-2022 03:49 AM

Maybe we're being a little hard on each other? Are any of these estimates better than hearsay? A lot goes into how you count these numbers too. Does 500, 350 or 1000 include upgrades and transitions? Is the limiting factor simulators? Does this include routine simulator breakdowns? Does this include extra sim sessions for people who may be struggling? What about limiting factors around administrative processing or OE bottlenecks?

My point is this: Here or anywhere I've been estimates of training center capacity have been very rough estimates at best. Also it's very, very common to hear "There's no way we'll be able to train enough people to...", but almost always the training capacity can meet demand. There's always a reservoir of ambitious youth waiting to fill in and expand certain training roles (I was one.). There's always a reservoir of people in the training center looking to move up. There are plenty of contract simulators out there for rent unless you're flying something rare. Any limitations on resources or training staffing we encounter will be short-lived. So real training capacity is more elastic than we tend to believe. A more significant limiting factor is FAA approval. They are the ones that approve our training manuals which define the issues that restrict us. Even this, at the end of the day, isn't much better than hearsay. They may be hard-nosed in their attitudes one day and lax on another. Our restrictions can change with the stroke of a pen.

We haven't even started seriously talking about training in the airplane or doing any of the other stuff that was common in 1985. If we're looking at training capacity to provide a window into our futures, I believe we're looking through frosted glass.

Birdsmash 08-26-2022 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Elevation (Post 3483935)
Maybe we're being a little hard on each other? Are any of these estimates better than hearsay? A lot goes into how you count these numbers too. Does 500, 350 or 1000 include upgrades and transitions? Is the limiting factor simulators? Does this include routine simulator breakdowns? Does this include extra sim sessions for people who may be struggling? What about limiting factors around administrative processing or OE bottlenecks?

My point is this: Here or anywhere I've been estimates of training center capacity have been very rough estimates at best. Also it's very, very common to hear "There's no way we'll be able to train enough people to...", but almost always the training capacity can meet demand. There's always a reservoir of ambitious youth waiting to fill in and expand certain training roles (I was one.). There's always a reservoir of people in the training center looking to move up. There are plenty of contract simulators out there for rent unless you're flying something rare. Any limitations on resources or training staffing we encounter will be short-lived. So real training capacity is more elastic than we tend to believe. A more significant limiting factor is FAA approval. They are the ones that approve our training manuals which define the issues that restrict us. Even this, at the end of the day, isn't much better than hearsay. They may be hard-nosed in their attitudes one day and lax on another. Our restrictions can change with the stroke of a pen.

We haven't even started seriously talking about training in the airplane or doing any of the other stuff that was common in 1985. If we're looking at training capacity to provide a window into our futures, I believe we're looking through frosted glass.

What we need are short courses for highly qualified (previous Boeing wide body) applicants. That would help reduce the timeline.

Crusoe 08-26-2022 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by Birdsmash (Post 3483566)
I do not believe the management level you refer to is involved in the day to day interview process. Trying to link the two together is a bit of a stretch.

Try not to be so literal in all things. But to your point - where do you think corporate culture comes from? The top down or the bottom up? Also, as a potential candidate it could be viewed as a metaphor (and in Atlas’ case should be) as a peek behind the curtain at those that pull the levers & how they will ultimately treat you in substantive ways like contracts.

Birdsmash 08-26-2022 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by Crusoe (Post 3484112)
Try not to be so literal in all things. But to your point - where do you think corporate culture comes from? The top down or the bottom up? Also, as a potential candidate it could be viewed as a metaphor (and in Atlas’ case should be) as a peek behind the curtain at those that pull the levers & how they will ultimately treat you in substantive ways like contracts.

I get it! You’ve been abused and have an axe to grind. I am not discounting that. However, the recent posts in this thread were related to a guy trying his best to get a job and was worried that he’d somehow missed his opportunity. Put yourself in his position and then re-read your post that veers off to right field. It really has nothing to do with Atlas hiring.

coconut 08-26-2022 03:21 PM

Any training delays on the 73? What about average monthly flying?

Dunebasher 08-27-2022 12:12 AM

Hi gents,

A former colleague informed me that Atlas will now be able sponsor Brits as of very recently.

Does anyone have any information on this? I was a bit surprised to hear it to be honest.


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