Hi everyone,
I'm planning on commuting with you guys ORD ANC. I'm listed trough ID90 , but I feel like I'm missing some information. Do you usually receive confirmation and location of the terminal prior to the flight ?
Any other tips you have for me ? Feel free to pm.

Thank you !!

The only way of which I know to list for the jump seat is at the following company address: Atlas Air, Inc. Select "Other Airline Crew Jumpseat Requests" and follow the dots.

In all honesty... Unless you're on X day pay just forget about block hours here. You get the CRT (4.85) here.

Does Atlas still have the wait 1 year before you can reapply rule for not being selected from an interview?

Hello Everyone!

Does anyone have current word on 747 hiring? I am interviewing in Sept. and pretty set on that airframe as I live in ANC.....

Any advice on how to go about increasing the odds of doing so?

Thanks in advance.

I found some errors in my initial rejected application and reapplied after 8 months. Received the online assessment email about three weeks after reapplying.

767 only for the rest of this year...currently.

Anybody else interviewing in Sept?

For those who have found a way off of this sinking ship, probably lots of us.

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Hey Everyone,

I completed my online assessment on Friday. How long did it take to hear something back once you submitted it? From what I gathered from the online portal it seems I passed it.
Thanks!

If you are a sharp pilot with a good attitude, we would love to have you on the 767. Funny, they would interview an ANC guy after the -400 hiring stops. 'Bout right for HR, though.

Thanks White Cap, I wish I could accept the 767! QOL commuting out of ANC seems like it would be pretty awful. Correct me if I am wrong here but it would essentially be 18 or 19 days of work and 11 or 12 days off. Am i off base?

Can you bid into the 47 after being place on the 67 or is there a seat lock and if so what's the duration?

Three year seat lock

Thanks GPILOT.

Currently a regional FO with ~200hrs SIC and 1700TT. Just turned 23 and within 6 months of finishing a bachelors degree. Anyone with these qualifications getting interviews?

This is straight from Atlas careers page:

Atlas Air First Officer Minimum Requirement:
The First Officer minimum requirements below have changed to include restricted ATP holders.
FAA Multi-Engine Airline Transport Pilot Certificate or Restricted Multi-Engine Airline Pilot Certificate

* 2000 hours of total time
* 500 hours turbine
or
* 1500 TT
* Graduate of 141, 142 or US Military Training Program
* Holds an SIC/PIC Type Rating in a Turbojet Aircraft

* Current FAA Class 1 Medical Certificate
* FCC Radio License
* Legally authorized to work in the United States
* No restrictions on international travel
* Current Passport
* Ability to pass a 10-year security background check and a pre-employment drug test

Warm body? Yes. Welcome to hell.

Atlas in my opinion is all about perspective. Is it Delta, FedEx, UPS..? No. Of course not. Will it be one day? Maybe, but highly unlikely.

Atlas is however world's better than almost any part 135, most regionals, and almost any other long-haul carrier such as Omni, Western Global, Kalitta, ABX, ...

So in the end, if you're coming from an easy job that paid you a ton to do hardly anything, or you think this is UPS or Delta for some reason.....you probably won't enjoy it here. Now if you came from a crappy freight company that worked you like a dog for pennies....you'll likely love it here. Perspective.

Amen!



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Well said.
About a 1000 pages ago somebody said "One mans trash is another mans treasure"
There.

K4 is better than Atlas under the present CBA, less time away , more money, true home basing , no imputed income . Not hating on Giant , lots of amigos there , just stating facts , oh and the 767 pays the same as the 747.Cheers : )

As a regional FO with zero TPIC, I don't think I'd have a shot with K4. I'm currently at a regional with a flow to AA and am within ~10 months of upgrading. Not sure if it's better just to stay where I'm at.

In my humble opinion, stay. Upgrade. Flow. There's not much of a chance that much is going to change here at Atlas in the next 10 months, in terms of a new and better CBA.

Again, just my opinion.

Appreciate the response

Wisdom....

The thing is this pilot group is fighting for an industry standard, if not industry leading contract. For what we do, the places we go, the flexibility that we give the company, we absolutely deserve it. Just because someone is coming from a regional as an FO making $35 an hour, part 135, or one of the various other crappy freight companies, it doesn't make this a great place. Please don't try to justify the crap CBA and work rules we are currently working under by comparing us to flying an RJ, a citation, or working for one of the other lousy freight companies.

I'm just saying it's a far cry from being "hell" here. No one will argue we need a much better CBA, and in time that will absolutely happen....it has to. In the meantime why do we continue to spread this negativity and fire everyone up about it? There are plenty of legitimately happy people at Atlas, all of whom are eagerly awaiting a new CBA, but whom also keep a positive attitude about things as we go through the process. Walk the line, file grievances, and abide by the current CBA. Negotiation periods always suck, and we are long overdue, but I refuse to come into work ****ed off everyday and spread negativity.......it does zero to get us a new CBA faster, it only brings everyone down.

Great description! I totally agree.

Is Atlas for the average pax airline pilot? Probably not.
The trips are typically 10-12+ days long. You owe the company 17 days of flying per month, I have not done a 17 days straight trip since November 2016. Tomorrow I begin a 15 day trip. And I will fly a couple days later in the month to reach a total of 17 days.

You have to be a bit adventurous. Not saying be a cowboy. Just willing to fly to places you cannot even pronounce. And willing to go practically ANYWHERE in the world. If anything, it is definitely an adventure!

To be honest, I am far less fatigued at Atlas than I was in the regionals. Even though I am often flying at all sorts of odd hours, and often on the other side of the world (HSV-HKG in a few days).

We don't parade through passenger terminals in a double-breasted suit and hat. IMHO, Atlas pilots are probably the most down to earth pilots I have ever flown with.

Despite things not always going according to plan and like clockwork, Atlas has a 97% on-time arrival rate.

This is my third contract negotiation. Same old story. Company stalls, union incites. We definitely deserve something much better than what we have for a CBA. But, I am much happier working here than the regionals. I will do my job per the contract, no more, no less. I pay my union dues to let the union take care of negotiating while I make a living to care for my family.

Well, one reason that people express their displeasure here at Atlas is that the company consistently violates the contract. I have found errors on both of my last two paychecks. Very few new hires seem to check for problems with their pay, their schedule, or other contractual violations. Part of that is because the contract was so poorly written that it is very, very difficult to interpret the many sections that are frequently abused. It happens often and it is a cultural attitude within Atlas mid-level management to cheat the pilots out of their benefits.

Another reason that people express their displeasure here at Atlas is that the job we do is much more challenging than similar jobs at the "big five". I have a friend at Delta who was on the 747. He said they fly ONE type of 747 to 9 different cities. We fly 5 very different types of the 747 to 432 different cities. The profit per employee at Atlas is more than enough to compensate us at a wage that far surpasses the major airlines, yet some new pilots here have bought into the company propaganda that Atlas, because we aren't a household name, simply HAS to pay less than United, and the rest.

A final reason that pilots seem to bad mouth Atlas is that the more difficult it is for the company to hire enough pilots, the sooner they will come to the negotiating table and offer progress. It's that simple. The more people who arrive and convince their buddies that Atlas is just sooo cool that they should come here because you get to taxi a 747 around Hong Kong while you wait for your call from FedEx or American, the more time Atlas management will have to drag out negotiations. This saves Atlas millions and doesn't seem to matter to those pilots who use Atlas as a stepping stone in their career climb. The only people this enthusiasm seems to impact are the pilots who can't or won't move on to a better job.

I am not miserable at this job and I insist on having a pleasant time in the cockpit. But I would NEVER encourage another pilot to join the Atlas ranks until we get a new contract. It is a strategy that many people do not seem to understand.

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Nah, I totally get that and actually agree. We do a job far more difficult than most anyone else out there, and are paid a good deal less and our work rules only "average." We need better. Everyone agrees. I also fully believe we will get better, much better. I still get to fly a -8, see some cool places, and since I can drive to base an legit home 13-15 days a month. I can't complain too much. Do I deserve better for what I do? Of course? Be nice to find a balance of pleasant work environment, pride in the company who signs our paycheck, and optimistic outlook of the future. Like I have said.. abide by the contract, if you don't know it or don't bother to read it then it's on you. It is poorly written, but it's also relatively short...read it...hold the company to it, but keep your head up. Let's keep the outlook positive and remember it's not always wise to bite the hand that feeds you.

All you need to know....after almost two weeks or negotiating with the company this month they still couldn't even come to a TA over Furlough and Recall and Leaves or Absence which they spent all of this week on trying to finish. The goal is to simply move from obsolete 1990’s contract language to modern contract language that is consistent with what is found throughout the industry. I guess they don't need pilots that bad to run this business.

You seem to be content at Atlas, but you're still missing the point. The more pilots that get hired here, the less prone the company will be to get serious about negotiations.

"... not wise to bite the hand that feeds us???"

Our Executive team awarded themselves a 66 million dollar bonus that was earned from our efforts. And we got nothing!

I say take their stinking hand and shove it into a friggin' wood chipper!

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I interviewed about six months ago and I was not offered a job. Anybody knows if applicants are getting hired on a second try?

Do they stick to the "one year wait before reapplying" rule or could I apply again six months after my first interview?

Is Atlas is hiring for 747 class or just 767?

Thanks

As of right now classes for the rest of 2017 are into the 767.

Don't forget to put all your expenses on the company credit card.

Hey guys I hope I'm not walking into a "**** storm". I'm just asking for some help and advice for my interview scheduled next month. Yes I am aware of the pilot negotiations but coming to Atlas is much much better where I am currently working.


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Not what you were hoping for perhaps - but nevertheless- for your (& others) consideration. As told by a friend:

Imagine a hypothetical world where a nameless, faceless, hypothetical company was locked in a protracted labor battle with their largest hypothetical labor union and have been hypothetically engaging in a full court press of hypothetical workplace abuses, mindless delays, theoretical lawsuits and arbitration demands against said employees & blatant (albeit hypothetical) CBA violations despite a (rumored) ever increasing pilot shortage. Now imagine this hypothetical corporation had a hypothetical Achilles heel in the form of massive attrition which was in sharp contrast to their fantasy growth plans & that their only real saving grace that allows them to simultaneously continue daily operations and continue delaying any serious negotiations...was [drum roll...] attracting fresh bodies to fill the seats...hypothetically that is. As long as the hypothetical businessmen at said hypothetical company can keep all the theoretical metal moving they have little to no need, or desire, to bargain in good faith with this imaginary pilot union. Now further imagine if the hypothetical potential candidates hypothetically decided (organically & of their own volition) to no longer reward this (purely hypothetical) bad actor & instead only sought gainful employment at more “enlightened” companies? What would hypothetically happen? How would this hypothetical situation effect this theoretical time-line for the imaginary 1700+ that are locked in this fantastical battle with no end in sight? For the career/industry as a whole? For some added context - Imagine if this hypothetical company had (supposedly) been in business for >25 years and had only allowed their hypothetical pilots to actually vote on a contract only once in that entire quarter of a century. Do you suppose, hypothetically, that barring any significant leverage, these fantasy league businessmen would ever want to change this pattern of allegedly bad & intransigent behavior? And most importantly - isn’t it interesting how in this hypothetical scenario the group with the most power is actually the ones currently on the outside looking in, who can pick & choose where to offer their services, skills & labor ...hypothetically. The choice of short term (relative) pain/inconvenience vs long term gain is a hypothetical conundrum for the shortsighted (if even considered at all) but a pretty clear choice for those with a modicum of situational awareness and a little backbone (made considerably easier in a hot labor market). Hypothetically speaking of course.

Perhaps it’s all just a recurring fever dream, but there are interesting & important choices to be made. May you choose wisely for both yourself & your fellow trade unionists so that this career raises all boats. So to speak.

ps- Allegedly.

Don't bother reading all that, well....maybe. Read some, read until you get that queasy feeling like you're not sure if you should pull the trigger. Then let that build a while while you mull over your options. That's what this place is. It's not the best, it's not the worst. And it actually has a happy medium if you live in or near a base and don't suck a big one at bidding. Upside potential is huge. And the guys here that you'll work with are generally a lot cooler than the trolls that come out in these forums. The dynamic for a single 25 year old is probably vastly different than a 46 year old with 6 kids and alimony, other stresses. View it through your own lens, maybe you'll like what you see.

Of course the dynamic will be different. The only issue with inviting everyone to come on over and give Atlas a shot is that while these transients are passing through, the rest of us are stuck here (for whatever reason) waging war with the company while we try to hammer out a reasonable contract for ourselves.

Enticing a bunch of new guys to come on over and try Atlas on for size:
1. Shows little appreciation for and understanding of the value of what we do.
2. Shows little understanding of the constant contractual violations that Atlas perpetrates on the pilot group on a daily basis.
3. Shows no understanding of the current state of affairs between our union and Atlas regarding the advantage we should be able to hold during an industry hiring boom with a simultaneous pilot shortage.

The only thing that will bring Atlas to the negotiating table is when the planes stop flying and the only that will happen (short of a strike) is when they run out of pilots to staff them.

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