To piggy back on the IAH situation.... I'm a junior 747 Captain and I'd be in the bottom half of the Houston FO list working holidays. You might be able to be the plug after year 2.

Everything is pretty much reserve, lines are just psuedo reserve. They pay for the hotel then Tax you on it!! Never mind we make 30% less then Alligient or Kallita. Its a joke, stay away.

They pay for a hotel which counts as Gross Pay. You pay income taxes on it.

Is that something the NC is going after?

We have R3 reserve in CVG for the 767...it is airport ready reserve. All other official reserve is R2.

Sometimes, your R2 line turns into a patterned trip before you start R2. Usually, R2 is in your base. You generally pay imputed income, which is taxed, for the first night you arrive to your base, if you are travelling via gateway. I am not sure if you pay imputed for further nights of R2 in your base. If you do R2 not in your base, then it is not imputed. If you travel to your base from an Alternate Travel location, then there is no imputed income for the airfare and first night in hotel.

My last R2, was in my base. I was there 24 hours, and then was gone to HI, MEL, Asia, and CVG until my trip ended in ANC. The company airlined me to an Alternate Travel location from ANC (not my gateway).

The union is working on ending the Gateway and Basing system, according to what I was told.
Note: DAL has Bases. NetJets has Gateway Basing. ATI has Home Basing. Atlas is the only carrier to have 2 of the above 3, and it is crap. We have Gateway Travel (and Alternate Travel) to/from your start/end of trip. Your trips usually start and end in your Base, mostly depending on which base you get assigned.

Feel free to PM me for questions...

I sat R3 for 17 days in CVG, my base, and all the per diem almost $900 was added to my paycheck as taxable income. ATLAS IS A JOKE STAY AWAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you mean Negotiating Committee then yes. We're going for an Industry Standard Contract. What does that mean? It could mean we end up with damn near anything depending on what happens. We're most likely 2 or 3 years away from a new contract. Currently the company is pushing back over Industry Standard Language for Furlough and Uniforms.

****. I've been hearing 3 years if we are lucky. During the last sit down. We couldn't even agree on how uniform payments. 😂😂😂

I had high hopes in coming here. Not so much anymore.

Thanks for the great response! How does the Gateway Travel vs Alternate Travel vs home basing (which I know Atlas doesn't have) all work. Thanks in advance, all I know is regular bases, currently at a ULCC and thinking about making the jump, ready for a change of scenery.

When you get extended for 3 extra days on top of your normal 17 days how is that payed? above guarantee? 150%?

Extended after 17. Try more like 18 - 19 days. Then being extend for 3, plus travel home. It's feesable to be gone from home for 22 days in that case. No amount of pay is worth that

In that case you'd spend 22 days on the road as Boeing mentioned but you'd get an extra 27 hours of pay give or take a few hours...

And yet we have dozens of idiots willing to help out Purchase and outbase themselves for 30-90 days at a time.

The grass is not only not greener, it’s the victim of a severe drought and is dying a slow painful death. Stay where you are and aim higher.

In 2-3 years we will no longer have any economic leverage for a decent contract because time is not on our side. Management is losing some small battles now, but dominating the war because they control the clock and know the game far better than anyone. Our pilots don't self police, and the Union has little power or interest in sticking their necks out too far.

I don't think an Industry Standard contract will be enough to recruit all of the pilots needed by Atlas.

In 2-3 years the Pilot Shortage will be much worse than it is now, barring some major catastrophe. The retirement/new student start numbers now are way upside down, from an HR point of view.

Gateway Travel is when Atlas airlines you between your Gateway and your Base. Often, you will fly on your days off if it is Gateway Travel. You can be imputed for Gateway Travel.

If it is between your Gateway, and a location other than your base, then it is not Gateway travel, you don't fly on your days off, and there is no imputed income.

Alternate Travel is where, at the start/end of a trip, Atlas airlines you to/from a location other than your Gateway: It is not Gateway travel, you don't fly on your days off, and there is no imputed income.

Home Basing is where you are airlined to/from the airport closest to your home (as opposed to a "Gateway"...an airport that serves a number of cities/towns in a region). With Home Basing (or Gateway Basing), your base is your Home city (or you Gateway). There are no Pilot Bases with Home/Gateway Basing.
Gateways example: MKE used to be the only Gateway at Atlas, for all of NE WI and the Western UP. Now MKE and GRB and ATW are all Gateways...

R2 hotel is not subject to imputed tax - even if it is at your base.

If you were imputed, contact KC or the Union. It's an error. Don't let them get away with it.

Boy, I'd like the union reps to give a clear answer to this. KC is now saying it is imputable.

That is the problem. There is no clear answer on any of this. There are multiple letters, memos, and post it notes that are drawn from a hat and applied at the whim of whoever feels like it at the time...

The burden is thrown back on the crew member to carefully examine everything, including pay, to catch the mistakes. Many crew-members are finding pay discrepancies...
:mad:

Atlas Air is a monstrosity. I can't believe people are still applying.

Unfortunately, KC and taxable travel has been consistent on this subject with me for years. I paraphrase from the 5 page document on taxable travel found in GlobalMess:

"Example 4: Crewmember is on Reserve Standby at Base JFK.
Transportation to JFK is TAXABLE. Hotel accommodation while sitting Base standby is TAXABLE. "

I've fought and lost the "it's required by the company" argument and have been advised by a tax attorney to NOT write these charges off or face possible audit. So, if you're based in ANC, plan to be charged about $7,000 - $10,000 per year in imputed income as I have in the years I've been based there (I live in Spokane). Your individual tax situation will determine the actual amount you lose from this benefit... but for most that's probably at least one mortgage payment. But at least I'm not paying for a crash pad... right? :rolleyes: As a result, imputed income often becomes a determining factor in base selection.

Cheers!

Disclaimer: I am not a CPA, Tax Attorney or Certified Financial Advisor... just a dumb a$$ pilot that has stayed one too many nights at the pound cake palace.

WRONG! Bout 6 months ago, I was imputed for just this exact situation. I fought it tooth n nail! NO Help from Union what so ever!
Cost me $300+ in imputed taxes! (I pay about 38% in taxes because of other income). Total goat ******. Imputed income is the DEVIL!
Don't come to Atlas unless you can live in base

That quote is from the company published interpretation of the actual tax law.........which is not accurate and is a dated document written before the last contract.

If the union failed to help you on this, contact the lead steward or vice exco pp....they should help!!!

I fought this battle years ago, won, and haven't had any issues since. R2 at a base hotel is NOT imputable. Again, if you are being imputed keep fighting it, keep going up the chain in the union if your not getting the answer you need. I have taken R2 at my base many times (and I live there btw, but take the hotel anyways) and do not get imputed since I fought back. Keep fighting it.

Good luck.

And yes, the inconsistency and misapplication of these laws is another reason one should think twice before coming here vs.holding out for something else.

I did, recently, and they won't fight it.

Hopefully, the Union will be able to get rid of imputed income in our new contract.
Namaste...

But, but, but, the big shiny jet...

The really sad part is that people are still taking jobs at Southern.:confused:

Unfortunately, these blockheads believe that changing their cover photo to a Boeing 7blank7 has more intrinsic value than working for a fair and equitable employer.

That's a shame. Next time I see those guys I'll ask as well as to why they didn't step in for you.

Rumor is the last 747 class of the year will be this Monday 7/17 class. Anyone heard anything along those lines as well?

Heard that as well. 767 will keep rolling.

I have no doubt that this will turn away many gleamy eyed prospects that only want to fly the Whale. This can only be good in that it's a couple of extra BTU's from the fire under Flynn/Deitrich's asses to get on with a new CBA.

That's a joke... I bet there are 100 747 pilots who'll be leaving for greener pastures between now and January 1st. The training center will have to be at Max Capacity to tread water for the 1st quarter of 2018 at this point. I could see them scaling back and putting some Sim instructors out on the line but, in all honesty is this a troll?

Not a joke. Hiring is always feast/famine here. But look at it practically - they've hired 100 747 guys in the last 12 weeks alone. The last bid package had @ 100 guys already waiting for/on OE (both fleets/seats). MIA can churn them out, but the weak link has always been OE. Last year, the 767 got so backed up new hires waited at much as 5 months at home after training before seeing a jet. Looks like it's the 747's turn.

All it means is that they've stopped for now. As with anything Atlas, that can change in 5 minutes.

Are you eligible for "Gateway"? I.e. Do you live within 130 miles of your base? If you're not eligible for gateway, then by defenition you can't be imputed. Yours is then a pretty unique situation.

I could see that if they stopped hiring on the 747 for a month or two to get everyone through the training pipeline, but they'd have to hire for first quarter of next year after that. We'll be losing at least 30 a month starting in January... At least. We're losing between 20-30 now with United not even hiring. There's been at least 3 Atlas guys in every Delta, United, FedEx, UPS, and American class this year according to leadership...

Anyone know when Atlas will be at a job fair? I'd like to talk to someone in person.
Also, does someone have Kathy's email address?
Thx.

Searched the thread but information was from 2012. Any idea on how senior MIA is? How long to hold it? Is it both 747/767?

MIA is only a 747 base. Not sure about seniority, but latest is that the remainder of the classes for 2017 are for the 767.

767 bases are CVG and JFK, CVG being junior, and by far where the majority of the pilots are based.

MIA...
 

Miami is the 2nd most senior base on the FO and CA side. There is no 767 base. You could probably hold it after a year but to give you an idea last year when I was based there as a 5 year FO I almost had to work Christmas. You'd be given a schedule for around a year. As a Captain you're looking at 7 or 8 years to be the last Captain IF attrition/growth rates continue.