By the time you can hold jfk you will either know the answer to your own question or will be in upgrade class to stay in cvg.

Attitude is everything. The schoolhouse sets the tone - 767 is about teaching and instruction. 747 is about evaluation and checking (although it's getting better). The 767 is more regional - you'll find yourself in certain "buckets" of flying. Domestic cargo, a few spots in Asia, or AMC (domestic/Germany/Kuwait, mainly). For example, if you're in TPE, your pattern will typically stay intact. on the 747, your pattern can change every time you land. on the 747, i was typically out close to 17 days and was usually on the other side of the globe. on the 767, except for CA OE, i haven't been abroad since July, and do more like week on/week off (well, 8 or 9 on). On the 767, I also feel like a pilot again.

but again, the 747 is getting better. new CAs bring new attitudes, and the ship is slowly turning around in MIA.

more $$$ on the 747 side. i would've gotten a ton more PIC on the 747 had I waited. but for me, 767 is the right fit.[/QUOTE]

When you say the 767 side is teaching, etc and the 747 is evaluation.. Are you talking about in the training department? Or online as well?

He means in the MIA TC. The training difference between the 2 programs is like night and day, they are not even remotely related. The 74 side is dominated by checking vs the 76 side being dominated by teaching.

Mostly training. And it's not oppressive on the 747 side - our bust rates are typical - it's just archaic and unnecessary. Training is trying to turn the ship but with the CBA fight going on, they won't get far. The move toward AQP stalled a couple of years ago, but we are moving to a LOFT scenario for the non-jeopardy check rides. (AQP lite?) So, progress, albeit glacial.

Out on line, the 767 has been a very open culture since day 1, both by design and necessity. The Fleet Manager specifically created a culture opposite to that of the 747-400 (and more like the 747-200 culture, i'm told). Plus, all the 767 captains were new to the jet and had to rely on the early FOs, many of whom were previously 767 CAs somewhere else. That broke down the walls pretty quickly.

I was only on the 747 briefly, but my enjoyment of any given trip more often than not was dependent on the CA's age. Younger guys were fine. Some old guys were fantastic. But some... Well, they had some interesting techniques and interesting ideas about CRM, or a lack thereof. Their numbers get smaller every year, though. Crazy growth solves a lot of those problems, and now the more prevalent concern will be dropping experience levels in both seats, on both fleets, but it's more pronounced on the 767.

Went through that at the regionals. It can be done if Training adapts and the pilot group buys in. We'll see how that all shakes out.

For travel to training in Miami, do I pay for checked luggage? Or is there a provision of some sort for that?

Atlas pays for checked luggage, but since you don't have a company card yet, i'd try managing the reservation online before you go or calling the airline to make sure they have a card on file. Or call Travel.

Online Assessment
 

I was trying to take the online assessment, but there was some issue with the flash player on the browser. It asked me to reinstall flash and try again. But after I closed the browser and logged in again I am unable to take the test. I did email the HR. Are they good about resetting it? Or that was my only chance.

The first attempt says incomplete with a total time of 22 seconds.

They're good about resetting. However a phone call to them might yield better results than e-mail.

Gouge on assesment
 

Hi all,

I'll be applying at Atlas soon, and hoped I could get some gouge from people taking it. Thanks in advance!

PS. I get what's going on, so no need to post or PM me any negative information. I get it.

As many others have said, (very recently) all that you need to know is in these 1600+/- pages, it's still accurate. Happy hunting and good luck.

Could anyone tell me if there are any training bonds required if hired?

Nope! Leave as soon as you get the type for free. 100+ others have this year. SOC with Southern delayed now. Fill in your own rumors why.

Thanks. Email worked faster in this case. Passed the test, lets see if I get an interview call or not.

Is that rumor or fact? I have not seen an email or announcement from the company stating that. Not that they are very upfront about anything.

Union said it was delayed in the latest ATAM in addition to it being rumored. Haven't looked at the revised 8K to see if it's mentioned in there.

Got a vm asking to call back if still interested. Three written tests may have finally yielded a result.

Ah Rog didn't check out the ATAM yet thanks

Man I've heard 100 different rumors in the last 12 months.

The truth - no one knows- and the people that do know. Don't even know.

Show up, fly, go home- and keep applying

Comment: Has Amazon really added flights to China? ? Air Cargo News

Amazon Prime China to US???

Just took the online test, got an 86% anyone know what score they are loooking for score wise?

I'm pretty sure if you have a pulse you'll be getting called for an interview since you passed.

That would be a scope violation, if true.

Well it looks like the union is predicting bankruptcy now! That's a bad sign, because that is not a negotiating tactic. It would only weaken your hand at getting a contract.
So I guess the hits keep on coming. Not a "if" to go but when!

I wouldn't exactly say that union email predicted bankruptcy as much as it questioned if that was a possibility Atlas may have in mind. One I highly doubt as the company is still turning profits regardless of business debts. That is like saying you are going to declare bankruptcy, even if you have a well paying job, simply because you have a mortgage on your home. Until your paycheck becomes less than your bills, the show goes on.

Or AAWH could declare bankruptcy as a mechanism to force an amalgamated SAI contract upon Atlas Air. That's probably what 1224 is worried about them doing.

Anyone know how long it would take a new hire to hold Miami?

Miami. Around the year. Albeit you would be junior for a while.

But first- you would need to get through 400 training. Failures are definitely on the rise.

I'd apply at envoy. Miami base, more money, and a flow to a real airline that pays their pilots.

Anyone going to be in the June 12th 767 class?

So everyone has to start in ANC? Im typed on the -400.
I want to avoid the WO carriers.

Of course with such tactics, even if management wins they still lose - as ANY path that leads to another ****ty amalgamated contract (and/or blocking the CBA contractual ability of the pilots to not cross legal picket lines - as they are also attempting to do) will only result in the current, record setting attrition turning into an even bigger (and possibly unrecoverable) stampede toward the exits.

There is a reason that we now have 18 year captains bailing. Caveat emptor.

Odds are you'd end up with a 767 type and a cvg base, amigo.

Or worse, a 77 or 73 type. Careful not to step in Atlas' bull£hit.

Haha. Yeah man. Everyone goes to ANC. Enjoy that commute. You will lose 6 days a month easy.

Yeah I'm weary about that, thanks for the heads up.

I guess the next logical question is, what does a junior 74 FO schedule look like?

I'd say the majority of the lines in ANC are 17 day patterns. If you live in the southern US- plan on being gone 21 days.

What about CVG 76?

That's a mix bag. Mostly 7-9 day patterns with 6-8 off. Typically a week on week of type pattern.

Lots of 8-10-12 day domestic AZ, and DHL type stuff.

AMC stuff can be all over the place. 5 day stuff, to 10 day patterns.

TPE flying is 10-12 day pattern. Those days include DH over and back on our 400. Always a pleasure 😫

Specifically asking about the 747-400

Does Atlas has reserve too? Or everyone gets a schedule. Not like other 121 passenger carrying outfit is it? If there is reserve, how long is that?

TPE flying, does that mean you spend lot of nights in Taipei?

How long are the layovers usually? Minimum rest requirement or they are some longer layovers.

Thanks