Whatever, iPilot. The point is they are lying to applicants through their teeth and telling them a contract and SLI will be signed by October. Our own CEO has contradicted that statement. That's enough fake news to make Don Lemon jealous.

If I had a nickel for every time a recruiter is a bit optimistic when talking about the company to new hires...

Why would they be worried? Doesn't matter if they win or lose, because they win either way. Their goal is to delay signing a new contract as long as possible. The longer they delay a new CBA, the more they save and the more it costs us. Anyone who thinks we are gonna get "retro pay" is sadly mistaken, ain't gonna happen as management won't give back their savings earned through the delayed CBA.

These aren't just "recruiters". This is the HR department and the director of training spewing these fraudulent lies; saying whatever it takes to get people through the door.

Performance and configuration thresholds with Amazon and DHL.

Investors also expect expansion....otherwise there will always be a better option around the corner.

A different company in a different time I would agree with you.

Sounds like we're doing a good job educating applicants on life at Atlas!

Hiring the Florida West guys was the right thing to do since their certificate is getting shut down.

We're always willing to meet but we're expecting the meeting to be "Now that we're suing you will you agree to an Amalgamation/Merger. If you do we'll resume negotiations." If I were our ExCo I'd just walk out of the room if that is the case.

I got the same call everyone else has been getting. The lies from HR are ruthless.

Looks like some folks took the bait..several people in for interviews with Southern at the Doubletree CVG today.

Just say no to drugs.
They are passing out hallucinogens like skittles.

I asked one of the guys there if he was interviewing for atlas or southern..he said "atlas, well southern really, but they are merging into atlas." So evidently they are there under the assumption they will all be atlas employees soon.

Never said it wasn't the right thing to do. I absolutely agree that it was. My point is that people are making up crap, like saying/updating APC profile with misleading info that says we aren't hiring which is 100% false, we are hiring. The FW guys are all new hires and the 747 class that starts soon are also new hires. And as you know, since you just got an upgrade slot, we are still upgrading at a pretty aggressive clip albeit mostly on the 747. Company's that aren't hiring also tend to stop/slow upgrades as wel... regardless that was the point, we ARE hiring (or trying to) at both airlines.

Agree... The hiring won't be stopping for a very long time here. Even if we got a UPS like contract we'd need to grow the list. PS... Don't blow my cover!

Cover is safe... enjoy the left seat of the 747!

Finally a positive post.
Thank you.

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

oh wow. I thought you were serous for a second.

YOU are telling OTHERS not to belittle someone?!

AAAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
(wipes tear)

You need to be on stage. This is good stuff.

I'll give you a positive post... Another 747 Captain is leaving for FedEx. Good for him!

This is a mass exodus! In 6 months they are gonna have to cancel flights for lack of crews. Sad. This could be a wonderful job, not gig.

I don't know if it was deliberate but I read that in Trump's voice. :)

Anyone willing to chat with me about getting in with Atlas. I am familiar with what is going on there and would like to discuss matters in more detail. I am stuck in my current position and would like to get out.

Please don't bash me for wanting to come there and tell me what a piece of ignorant trash I am for wanting to work for such a terrible company.

I want information and an opportunity to move on from the regional world.

Sure PM me.

Yes. Apply, and go to job fair in Vegas next month.

You are in luck...PM me anytime. No bashing from me. Ignorant trash in the house!!! whoot whoot! :D

There are at least a few posters on here that will give it to you straight about the good the bad and the ugly at Atlas without the exaggerated slants.

Be careful with whom you associate with on this thread because there are those that have disdain for anyone who disagrees with the idea that "Atlas is ALL bad and should be burned to the ground".

I still can't fathom the notion that even if life is so bad for an individual in their career that they would rather see it go out of business while they are still employed rather than swallow a bit of pride and admit that Atlas is viable enough until the phone rings. "Viable enough" is not any sort of admission that nothing bad is happening here. There are a lot of negative things going on here. I just choose to make the best of a bad situation rather than dwell on things I can do nothing about.

Walking in to a war that you will be held accountable to fight while on probation and flying with people that are furious is as straight as I can give it.

^^^^ This... I've had airlines go out of business on me, I've been Furloughed, been through multiple mergers, negotiations ect and I've never witnessed anything more hostile than the current work environment at At-last air.

I have been asking the younger regional FO's why did they come to Alas? They pretty much all say that it is better than where they were, but only marginally better at this point. They came here thinking that we would have a good contract by now. They now see the facts and are leaving ASAP.

Should you turn a job down at Atlas? Well, that is the multi million dollar question for many younger pilots. I'll say a pilot 40 or younger. I tell people to come here if you have no other job offer. Is Atlas horrible? No, it is not that bad except for the fact that everywhere else is better now. Even K4 seems better now!

Atlas and Connie are about the only companies left in the true old skool freight/charter world. Atlas used to be the best of the worst, but the landscape has changed now.

Many of us old skool guys simply don't want to fly pax and are too established in our ways to make a change. Nobody wants to give up being a Skipper on a Whale to start at the bottom again. But when you have only been here a year or so and have a degree, you have to look at the simple math. You will lose over a million dollars by coming to Atlas. You decide...

hos·tileˈhästl,ˈhäˌstīl/
adjective
adjective: hostile
unfriendly; antagonistic.
"a hostile audience"
synonyms:unfriendly, unkind, bitter, unsympathetic, malicious, vicious, rancorous, venomous, poisonous, virulent;


I asked the interwebs;

What constitutes a hostile work environment?
Harassment becomes unlawful where 1) enduring the offensive conduct becomes a condition of continued employment, or 2) the conduct is severe or pervasive enough to create a work environment that a reasonable person would consider intimidating, hostile, or abusive.



For me I like to use the literal meaning of a word to get my point across, not a twisted, distorted or perverse definition to unnecessarily rally support using rhetoric for a cause or position where support for that cause already has momentum. Our language is so powerful and we have vocabulary that is so vast that it becomes counterproductive to misuse definitions of words in an effort to enhance a standpoint whereby the target audience will inevitably procure, dissect and draw their own conclusions regardless of extemporaneous internet threads. In this case a candidate will walk in, expect extreme hardship and hostility based on the premise that Atlas is a hostile work environment. To make the argument that Atlas is a hostile work environment is hypocritical in nature because it is based on the notion that the goal in making the aforementioned argument is to incite fear in prospective candidates in hopes of either scaring them toward one position or another or to keep them from applying altogether. That being said, that same candidate will hypothetically conclude training, get online and may or may not witness the drama, hostility, and poisonous behavior that has disseminated through the rumor mill and may begin to make inferences that perhaps the rhetoric is being overplayed thereby diluting the cause to muster support toward obtaining a better contract. People come from different backgrounds and have different experiences therefore not everyone will agree to a particular point....and that is OK.


From my side of the proverbial table, it sucks to be going through these poor business decisions that Atlas is making in an effort to secure a better contract plain and simple. And it is because I am not sitting on the CEO's side of the table that I believe it is bad business. I do want more money and better work rules. If I were on the other side of that table however, I am sure my perspective and definition of good/bad business would change. But that is all it is....BUSINESS. This song and dance that Atlas and the union are engaging in is tantamount to political hearings and Senate confirmations: The target gets pulled through the ringer and then gets passed, one way or another. But do I think my work environment is unlawful or hostile to me personally in anyway, no.

This post is not directed toward anyone in particular. It is my personal opinion so if there are those that feel the urge to make me the recipient of a personal attack because of that opinion then I would implore that person to think twice before submitting or suffer the potential consequence from the multitude of individuals who read this forum that hold very dear the sanctity of freedom of speech.


and btw, well said Atlas Shrugged. Those that fall into some of those categories shouldn't be ridiculed for wanting to make Atlas a change from where they came regardless for the duration of their stay or dissenting opinion.

Dave, it's a shame your post will never resonate. Hyperbole rules the day, unfortunately.

All the cheap, petty things the company does to us on a daily basis are bad enough on their own. No need to couch them in over-the-top language like "hostile," "threatening," or "evil." All it does is just turn people off. Does nothing for our cause.

How about we give prospective applicants accurate information, without the histrionics, and let them be smart enough to make their own decisions.

Agreed on all counts. Well put and thank you.

+1... You'll work more days and be gone more too.

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.......you watch your asz! :D

Rotfl.....

Another 9 Atlas pilots started at UPS today. Congrats!!!

....guess the effect will maybe show up on our seniority list by June...maybe. haha, lol!

Of the crews I've flown with this month, just under 50% have been hired somewhere else. Almost unreal that they (Purchase) are just going to let this place fail to keep their pride.

The union is even saying that the lists published on GlobalNet do not reflect the true rate of attrition....apparently it is at a greater rate than we can see.

So what, exactly, do you consider to be "our cause"? Turning people ON to Atlas??


And, just to clarify: We can use language like " Cheap" and "Petty" but not "Hostile", "Threatening", or "Evil", right?

Consequently, Atlas has created a cheap work environment by filing a "petty" lawsuit against all of our pilots. And the petty move to amalgamate our substandard contract with the bankruptcy contract at SAI will result in cheap labor for them; but we all very much like working here.

So come work at Atlas.

Do I have that right?


FYI, our cause is to get the best contract and consequently, the best career possible. We don't get that by convincing ourselves and others that life here is great. It's all a matter of opinion whether or not the work environment here is "hostile" or "petty" or "cheap". I'll bet that Bill Flynn wouldn't consider anything about our jobs as being cheap or petty. Does that not make your post wrong and full of hyperbole?

OK. So you'll say potato and I'll say potaato and we'll agree to disagree on the verbiage, but I'll bet that prospective applicants that are qualified to be hired at Atlas are also qualified to be hired at Allegiant or Kalitta where the management of those companies is NOT suing the pilots and (this is hot off the press) not trying to prohibit their pilots from honoring strikes by fellow union pilot groups. And when faced with these facts, those qualified pilots would consider those actions to be (in the very least) negative factors and they would choose the airline that is not suing their pilots.

Maybe you like lawsuits and don't consider this to be hostile. Maybe you like to be sued, but most people do not. Maybe you like airline management groups that walk away from contract negotiations, but most pilots do not. Maybe you think pilots should be encouraged to come to Atlas to replace those who have left and allow growth under the current contract encouraging Atlas to drag out the negotiation process just as long as possible.

But most pilots do not.

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suck
sək/Submit
verb
3rd person present: sucks
1.
draw into the mouth by contracting the muscles of the lip and mouth to make a partial vacuum.
"they suck mint juleps through straws"
synonyms: sip, sup, siphon, slurp, draw, drink
"they sucked orange juice through straws"
2.
involve (someone) in something without their choosing.
"I didn't want to be sucked into the role of dutiful daughter"
synonyms: implicate in, involve in, draw into; informalmix up in
"they got sucked into petty crime"

Clearly (and literally) it does not suck to be going through these poor business decisions that Atlas is making. There is neither mouth action nor did you get drawn into this without your choosing. This job was offered to you and you accepted, so being here is your choice. So, suck is, literally, the wrong word.

Personally, however, I agree with you that it sucks to be going through these poor business decisions that Atlas is making (regardless of the literal meaning of the word), but, as you needlessly point out, the guys on the other side of the table do not share your feelings. They gave themselves a 66 million dollar bonus and they make competitive salaries with their peers at other airlines.

But, please feel free to continue to contradict the other pilots who have strong feelings about their situation at Atlas and tell them they use the wrong words. Continue to downplay the situation here and encourage pilots to get hired at Atlas and make life easier for Atlas management to continue to operate business as usual fulfilling their contracts with an underpaid and overworked pilot group (as compared to our peer pilot groups).

That's what freedom of speech is all about.

But, please take a moment to consider whether your posts are helpful for your fellow pilots or helpful for the company.

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I just wanted to make sure prospective new hires don't miss that. Atlas is now attempting to force it's pilots to cross picket lines through an arbitrator. Don't be shocked if you come here and later this fall are forced to make a decision on whether or not you'll be crossing a picket line or getting fired while on probation.

WOW! Is that all you've got?! Well, THAT SUCKED! And I mean mouth action!!! BUHUAAhahahaahah. As in, open wide 8 and insert foot. LOL. Have you looked at an urban dictionary lately 8? Look up "suck"....it "literally" is synonymous for "not good". Funny how you left out NUMBER 3 in your google search. That's ok, here it is:

3.
North American informal
be very bad, disagreeable, or disgusting.
"I love your country, but the weather sucks"
synonyms: be very bad, be awful, be terrible, be dreadful, be horrible; informal stink
"the weather sucks"

Your response is a personal attack on me and it makes you look petty. How did you take such personal offense to what I posted? (no need to answer....I don't care) I have never downplayed anything that is going on at Atlas. You may have inferred, but I have never directly said that Atlas is a destination airline or anything along those lines. I have never recommended to anybody that Atlas should be chosen over any other airline either in a career move. Are you actually reading everything that I post? Because if you had, you would see that I agree with you and your message about the horrible (business) tactics, aimed against us. I agree that the lack of organization with regards to travel and catering must stop and the multitude of other things. Pilots will apply to Atlas or not regardless of what is said on this forum. That is why hyperbole and histrionics are deemed exaggerations in this thread thus turning people off.

I have just tried to temper this thread with some realism and to downplay the unnecessary grandiose chest thumping to strengthen our message and position. Why do you suppose those that do have the courage to continue to come to this thread seeking insight are asking in advance to not be ridiculed? I have received PM's asking for information as well.

You have the right to post whatever you want. But now you must face what I presume will be a bit of backlash for your rant. Popcorn ready.

BTW Globemaster, nail on the head comment about having to make a potential decision to cross a picket line.