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744driver 01-30-2011 09:16 AM

DH is paid after your 13th month on property.

And then it is paid at 1/3...1 hour toward guaranty for every 3 hours of a scheduled flight, pax flight, limo, etc.

However, a lot of this is a moot point as the new CBA is put in place. It is rumored to have a 4.85 hours per day rig. For that kind of a rig, it might not matter about trip guaranty unless you have an awarded trip worth a lot of pay credit.

Same goes for the DH credit...it may not matter that the DH credit (in the new CBA) is rumored to be 1:2.85 (don't ask how they came up with that number), as the daily rig of 4.85 hours covers most of our deadheads anyway...unless you do a very long DH from one part of the world to another, which does happen several times a year.

ashcroft 01-30-2011 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Whaledriver (Post 938793)
1/3, yeps it sucks, but it is what it is. I hear the new contract ain't much better.


Wow that is low esp. for the amount of deadheading.

Thanks for all the info Whale.

Whaledriver 01-30-2011 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by 744driver (Post 938794)
DH is paid after your 13th month on property.

Old info, DH pay from day one.

744driver 01-30-2011 09:45 AM

JFK 400 Based...

DH to ORD, 24 hr rest
Work ORD to PVG, 48 hours rest
Work PVG to SYD, 36 hours rest
Work SYD to HKG, 11 hours rest
DH on Singapore Airlines (business class) HKG to SIN to DXB, 13 hours rest
Work DXB to ZAZ, 2 hours on the ground, Work ZAZ to DXB, 19 hours rest
Work DXB to ICN, DH on Cathay Pacific (business class) to HKG, 43 hours rest
Work HKG to ANC, 15 hours rest
Work ANC to HSV, DH to base (JFK),

Although, since I don't live at my base they bought a pax airline ticket to go home directly from HSV.

17 days, 74 hours operating, 21 hours DH.

744driver 01-30-2011 09:49 AM

JFK 400 based...

DH from home to TOL, crew rest
Work TOL to FRA, 2 hours on the ground, work FRA to DXB, 29 hours rest
Work DXB to ALA, 2 hours on the ground, work ALA to PVG, 37 hours rest
Work PVG to ANC, 26 hours rest
Work ANC to CVG,
Went home from CVG.

9 days, 38 hours work, 6 hours DH

744driver 01-30-2011 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Whaledriver (Post 938806)
Old info, DH pay from day one.


Thanks for the correction...good for the FNGs.:cool:

sandstorm 01-30-2011 12:58 PM

Thanks guys for posting a more in depth look at your pairings. Seeing these types of schedules makes me want to fly for Atlas even more. I even had to look up a few of the airport codes. Definitely won't go to some of these palces with a legacy carrier.

Just curious... a couple of you guys mentioned that at one point or another you have had a layover turn into 5 days, 150 hours, etc and then have had flying added to fill in the gap. How does the company notify you in such cases and how much time do they give you to get to the airport? What if you don't have an international cell phone? Or what if you are out exploring during the day and they can't get a hold of you right away? Are you expected in check in every so often?

744driver 01-30-2011 01:19 PM

I've not had a no-$hit, short-notice, operate or DH from a Reserve assignment on more than a couple of occasions...and I have been at Atlas a long time.

During a layover, when a trip cancels, you have to be rested to operate anyway. Therefore, I have on one instance refused a short-notice assignment because it was a rolling delay caused be an airplane technical problem.

The company pays for internet access at ALL our layover hotels (where our hotel contracts don't include it), so you can check your trip "evolve" over the course of minutes, hours, days!!

Most of us don't carry phones with international calling plans...at least not for company purposes. Most of us do however have GSM mobile phones with international data, and messaging plans.

If I am planning an outing during my 24/7 required rest, I don't need to be contactable. When a flight is canceled, I am in touch with sCrew Scheduling via a land line in my hotel room. I then get an idea of when I can expect the next flight to operate or DH.

If you are put on Reserve, you will be given specific times of the day when you are to be rested and on duty (reserve) in the hotel, etc.

Questions, comments, corrections are welcome!!

ashcroft 01-30-2011 01:43 PM


Originally Posted by sandstorm (Post 938897)
Thanks guys for posting a more in depth look at your pairings. Seeing these types of schedules makes me want to fly for Atlas even more. I even had to look up a few of the airport codes. Definitely won't go to some of these palces with a legacy carrier.

Just curious... a couple of you guys mentioned that at one point or another you have had a layover turn into 5 days, 150 hours, etc and then have had flying added to fill in the gap. How does the company notify you in such cases and how much time do they give you to get to the airport? What if you don't have an international cell phone? Or what if you are out exploring during the day and they can't get a hold of you right away? Are you expected in check in every so often?

I'm with you on that one sandstorm. After seeing how the pairings work and where all you guys fly to this type of flying sounds way more interesting then some other places.

ashcroft 01-30-2011 05:23 PM

Ok guys/girls online test has been taken now I've been reading on here how some of you have been digging around and finding out your mastery score of 66. Anybody remember how you found that? Mine says passed but as you've all stated that doesn't tell you much other than well than I passed.


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