pilot deviation at non asap carriers
10-20-2017 | 03:02 PM
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JNB said it well. I will add that another reason for the compliance philosophy is that legal is probably overloaded with “much bigger/ egregious cases”. We simply do not have the resources to pursue “small cases” anymore... To Blackhawk, your distaste for the Agency is understandable, but I believe you have a skewed perception of reality.
10-20-2017 | 05:52 PM
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JNB said it well. I will add that another reason for the compliance philosophy is that legal is probably overloaded with “much bigger/ egregious cases”. We simply do not have the resources to pursue “small cases” anymore... To Blackhawk, your distaste for the Agency is understandable, but I believe you have a skewed perception of reality.
10-20-2017 | 08:05 PM
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My perception is based on cases in the not very distant past (the last 5 years), of pilots getting violations for very minor incidents that did not impact safety at all and were made worse by the pilots being honest and forthright with the FSDOs. They are still paying for these blemishes today as there is absolutely no recourse once such an incident is in your file and it follows you forever. Like forever, forever. It never goes away. Let's not even talk about cases such as the infamous Kansas City FSDO incident or Bob Hoover's case. Pardon my skepticism.
10-21-2017 | 01:44 AM
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The source of information used against an airman in enforcement action is very often statements made by the airman. Pilots are their own worst enemies. The FAA may have reports of the aircraft on scene, but frequently doesn't connect the pilot to the airplane without the pilot's statement.
10-21-2017 | 03:19 AM
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It's going to take more than two years to make up for years of abuse on the part of a few bad apples within the FAA that went unchecked. It's like a cheating spouse trying to tell you they've been faithful for two years so you should trust them now. Yeah, right.
10-21-2017 | 06:49 AM
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Given the new policy, if I made an honest, minor mistake in GA today I would probably talk to them and fess up, anticipating nothing more than a debriefing and constructive feedback.
If I thought for some reason that the situation might be misconstrued as something more serious than it was, I'd get a lawyer.
Caveat: Like others have said, there's a bad history here. There are certain individual feds at my home 'drome who I would never talk to under any circumstances. Actually I suspect most of them are gone by now.
If I thought for some reason that the situation might be misconstrued as something more serious than it was, I'd get a lawyer.
Caveat: Like others have said, there's a bad history here. There are certain individual feds at my home 'drome who I would never talk to under any circumstances. Actually I suspect most of them are gone by now.
10-21-2017 | 07:53 AM
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The reality is that SAS is keeping feds VERY busy “in the office”, tied to their computers. Also, only a VERY small percentage of serious cases actually go through. A majority of cases get thrown out on some technicality and legal minutia. Aviation attorneys know how to play the game, and they play it well. So anyone that is losing sleep over this stuff is honestly missing the big picture.
10-21-2017 | 09:09 AM
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Losing sleep? No. One only loses sleep over that which one does not understand. The FAA is a known quantity.
It still tends to attract those who didn't make it in the private sector.
10-21-2017 | 11:08 AM
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Actually the agency is quite attractive for benefits, retirement and QOL. In my case, I was with a major / legacy previously. Hardly “not making it” in the private sector. Just got sick of the uncertainty...
10-21-2017 | 08:26 PM
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The reality is that SAS is keeping feds VERY busy “in the office”, tied to their computers. Also, only a VERY small percentage of serious cases actually go through. A majority of cases get thrown out on some technicality and legal minutia. Aviation attorneys know how to play the game, and they play it well. So anyone that is losing sleep over this stuff is honestly missing the big picture.
Again, too many people have been royally boned for minor infractions for too many years by a few FAA employees who felt the best way to improve aviation safety was to hand out suspensions to suddenly believe things have changed.
Last edited by Blackhawk; 10-21-2017 at 08:36 PM.
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